Talk:Hayfa Baytar

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Why rename?

This page already existed as Haifa Bitar, and that transliteration seems to get far more google hits. (Of course, it's possible that might be largely due to Wikipedia mirrors.) Is there evidence that this orthography is preferred? pburka (talk) 18:48, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Pburka seems she is more known as " Hayfa Baytar", I merged it, and this is more correct too than "Haifa Bitar". We can open the Authority control links. Ruwaym (talk) 00:31, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Ruwaym: What's your evidence for that? Even in the text and citations of this article, "Haifa" appears 8 times and "Hayfa" only appears 6 times. pburka (talk) 18:30, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi pburka, the Worldcat link seems to add support for the current title, and VIAF provides mixed support, but overall seems to support the current title. The Library of Congress also adds further support, while DNB seems to support both, and ISNI seems to generally favor the current title. Beccaynr (talk) 18:46, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Beccaynr @pburka I am just sure about her surname/family name, It's "Al-Baytar" not "Bitar", literally means: Farrier, an occupational surname. About her first name, lets keep "Hayfa" as a female given name, and "Haifa" for the historical port city. Ruwaym (talk) 21:21, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

On the other hand, her resident writer profile at IWP and her contributor profile at WWB both use Haifa Bitar (or Haifa ' Bitar), and it seems likely that she either wrote or approved these profiles. I'm worried that we might be "correcting" her chosen or preferred transliteration. I don't read or speak Arabic, so I'm just going by the sources, but it seems to me that the closer-to-primary sources tend to use the old article's orthography. pburka (talk) 22:53, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

WP:COMMONNAME includes: Wikipedia does not necessarily use the subject's "official" name as an article title; it generally prefers the name that is most commonly used (as determined by its prevalence in a significant majority of independent, reliable English-language sources) as such names will usually best fit the five criteria listed above, which has a note that includes, This includes but is not limited to usage in the sources used as references for the article. Discussions about article titles commonly look at additional off-site sourcing, such as frequency of usage in news publications, books, and journals. I think in the context of en-wiki policy, the original article title may be best supported. Beccaynr (talk) 23:12, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]