Talk:Hardware-in-the-loop simulation

Copyright

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I am not sure they do understand what this means. They will give this text for free, for anyone to copy, include in their own book, without need to credit the author. -- ReyBrujo 21:03, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

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Record: Issue resolved. See confirmation above, OTRS. —Centrx→talk • 06:38, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Formatting, text edits, and links

Formatted lead. Addded "how it works". Removed lengthy explanation of "embedded systems as that can be found at wikilink. Removed opinion that this is the best practice until there is a cite for it. Tightened up text somewhat. Added internal wikilinks. Removed "needs wikification" tag. This item could use more sources, citations, and categorization. This work was done as part of the Wikification Project, join us.--Axiomatica 20:12, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

HWIL

Would it not be apropriate to mention also the alternative acronym HWIL? I think that was the dominant form before.

HIL in Automotive Systems

"In the context of automotive applications "Hardware-in-the-loop simulation systems provide such a virtual vehicle for systems validation and verification."[4]" "...provide such a virtual vehicle..." This sentence is unintelligible the way it has been quoted. "[S]uch a vehicle"? What is this referring to? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Philmac (talk • contribs) 23:30, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Link with co-simulation?

The HIL concept should be related and compared to the concept of co-simulation (e.g., hardware/software, discrete-event/continuous-time), which seems to be close. Unfortunately, there is no Wikipedia page for co-simulation at the moment.

Vasywriter (talk) 21:40, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

HIL, MIL, and SIL

There are also two related concepts:

• Model in the loop (http://de.wiki.x.io/wiki/Model_in_the_Loop)
• Software in the loop (http://de.wiki.x.io/wiki/Software_in_the_Loop)

Vasywriter (talk) 21:40, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Section on HIL for power systems

Brief section on HIL for power systems has been added. Includes references to current industrial platforms and potential applications. Could also be expanded with additional information regarding algorithms and solver techniques.

Paleo137 (talk) 17:00, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

Power electronics

A contributor deleted the entire section on HIL in Power Electronics citing the following reasons for it: "Too narrow for encyclopedia. Tone is more like ad-copy." Deletion occurred after one sentence was updated, a relevant reference was added and after links to major industrial HIL platforms by three major vendors were added. The rest of the section has been pretty much unchanged for 6 years. The section was therefore restored (changes undone) and maybe this is the right moment to ask fellow contributors to make it better, not by deleting it, but by editing it. HIL for power electronics is one of the key enabling technology for microgrids and distributed energy resources. HIL for power electronics is used to test and optimize hardware and software which runs modern converters, for example, modern smart inverters. Inverter and converter development, optimization and testing is extremely important for green energy production and sustainable future, see e.g.

If the section is really too narrow, maybe, before it gets deleted, there should at least be a discussion where it is possible to provide arguments? Aleksandar.kavgic (talk) 12:34, 29 February 2016 (UTC)Aleksandar Kavgic

References

I deleted the section again. If you get consensus here, then it can go back. See WP:BRD. Where are the secondary sources about HIL for power electronics? I had to go three pages deep in a Google search to find 2 books. The first book, Power Electronics for Renewable Energy Systems, Transportation and ...By Haitham Abu-Rub, Mariusz Malinowski, Kamal Al-Haddad, John Wiley, has very poor production values and does not appear to ba a secondary source but rather a collection of contributions by many authors. The second book only had a hit in the list of references. One of the recent changes to the current article inverted the sense of the previous content.[2] The GreenTechMedia link is about invertes and not HIL. Glrx (talk) 01:59, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

I undid your deletion and changed the format of the section in order to make it more in line with the rest of the article. This also allows other contributors to contribute: if there is no text, it is impossible to get a consensus on it. The rules of WP:BRD suggest that when in doubt you should edit. Deleting a section without even making a slight effort to edit it is hard to describe as editing, but could actually be considered vandalism. Particularly so, if you delete a section stating that the reason for doing so is a highly subjective claim about "poor production values" of a title such as "Power Electronics for Renewable Energy Systems, Transportation and ...By Haitham Abu-Rub, Mariusz Malinowski, Kamal Al-Haddad, John Wiley". Firstly, the book is not written by John Wiley. John Wiley & Sons, Inc. is the publisher and a very respected one, for that matter. The book in question is a reference title and Haitham Abu-Rub, Mariusz Malinowski and Kamal Al-Haddad are not the authors, but editors. The book was published in 2014. If you look it up in Google Scholar instead of Google, you will notice that it has more than 70 citations, which is a very good result for a book published in 2014 and if one has in mind that the average time to publish an article in high-impact journals is about a year. The recent change of the Power Electronics section of the article was about fixing the incorrect claim that simulation of fast-switching power electronics systems can be simulated in real time by off-the-shelf computer systems: the change was about making clear that the real-time HIL simulation with, say, a time step of 1 microsecond requires a dedicated computational system. The claim was also supported by a scientific article published in a high-impact journal which was cited more than 50 times and it was also supported by links to pages of the three major produces of HIL testing systems (OPAL-RT, Typhoon HIL and Plexim) for power electronics where it is clear that they use FPGA and/or SOC platforms for real-time HIL simulations, i.e. not off-the-shelf systems. Finally, regarding the GreenTechMedia article, it highlights the new challenges of designing high quality smart inverters. HIL technology in power electronics is used to design, test and optimize power electronics devices such as inverters - both their hardware and their software. The GreenTechMedia explains the reasons why HIL technologies in power electronics are becoming increasingly important for the transition to green energy production and smart grid. If the link between the two (HIL technology in power electronics and designing/testing smart inverters) is not clear, it is rather worrying.Aleksandar.kavgic (talk) 16:16, 7 March 2016 (UTC)

RestBus

How does restbus differs from HIL? Any knowledge on this would be helpful. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Digiajay (talk • contribs) 04:24, 24 August 2020 (UTC)