Talk:Habesha peoples/Archive 2

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erranious article If one asks any avarage ethiopian (Not those who went through the ethnic political indoctrinatin) would respond to or refer to him/self as "habesha" no mater which ethnic group one comes from. I my self do not belong to amhara or tigre but I often introduce myself as Abesha and most people I know do so. Even those who are indoctrinated do not object to it unless they are in the compony of those who expect them to protest. The article is erranious in that it does not show the reality on the ground or contain the popular practice of the time. It only projects the view held by certain political interests. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.97.212.167 (talk) 14:47, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

That's fine, and I'm inclined to think you're correct. But can you point to a reliable source to corroborate what you've said? The article merely reflects what we've been able to find in a source. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 17:48, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

The term Abesha refers to Semitic People of Ethiopia. You may call yourself Abesha but that does not make you Abesha (for example, you may say I am white but nobody accepts that b/c you are clearly black). You have to be born from Abesha to be called Abesha. Leaving your colonized attitude to yourself, I am born from Cushitic people and I don't want to be called Abesha. Don't try to twist a correct article to impose your personal interest on others. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tumsaa (talk • contribs) 15:31, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

Biher-Tigrinya and Tigre in Eritrea are NOT Habesha —Preceding unsigned comment added by Puhleec (talk • contribs) 00:59, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

What is wrong with you guys posting this crap?

The present composition of the Ethiopian population is the result of a complex and extensive intermixing of different peoples of North African, Near and Middle Eastern, and south-Saharan origin. The main groups inhabiting the country are the Amhara and the Tigray-Tigrinya people, descended from Arabian conquerors. The genetic distance analysis showed the separation between African and non-African populations, with the Amhara located in an intermediate position."

"On the basis of historical, linguistic, and genetic data, it has been suggested that the Ethiopian population has been strongly affected by Caucasoid migrations since Neolithic times. On the basis of autosomal polymorphic loci, it has been estimated that 60% of the Ethiopian gene pool has an African origin, whereas ~40% is of Caucasoid derivation."

This has been discarded. Ethiopians have little to no admixture on average. This information was made on some blog and dosent reflect reality. I removed it with more realistic facts.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.88.103.62 (talk • contribs)

according to People_of_Ethiopia#Genetic_studies,

A recent study based on cluster analysis that looked at a combined sample of Amhara and Oromo found that they share 62% of their genome with Caucasians, 24% with sub-Saharan Africans, 8% with Austro-Melanesians, and 6% with East Asians.

this is perfectly unsurprising seeing that Ethiopia is exactly on the boundary between the Near East and Sub-Saharan Africa. --dab (𒁳) 08:19, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

The article excluded the Oromo, mentioned only amhara, tigray, and guragay ... I believe many oromo might want to be included ... according to the Kibre Nagast, many first born hebrew noble sons accompanied Menelyik when he left Jerusalem to return home ... I believe after the reformation of the jewish state most jewish abesha emigrated to Israel, there are very few left in Ethiopia ... the name Abbyssinia comes from the greek word for black, and the name Eritrea comes from the greek word for red (as in, the red sea ...) ... the language of amarinnia has, I believe, a large number of words with roots common to aramaic and might be the closest living language to what Jesus spoke ... racially my eyes tell me that there is a serious mixture of semitic stock among the people, however, their resemblance to each other is stunning, suggesting that this mixture happened a long long time ago and then stopped ... I am no scholar, just a caucasian married to a habesha, friending others, learning the language and writing, and plural traveler. Coffee was first discovered in Ethiopia and the photograph of the coffee ceremony is very common but she is not a farmer, she is a live-in servant, this happens almost every day in the cities and even among diaspora communities ... and no, you could not drink a cup in one gulp if it was cold because it is so strong ... most habesha I know have terrible caffeine addictions ....

One book of the canon of the coptic (Orthodox) church is the Book of Enoch ... this material was lost to the council of Nicea and completely lost to the western world, but Jesus and Paul clearly were familiar with it and there are numerous references throughout the Bible to material in it ... there are pieces of it among the dead sea scrolls ... it is first rediscovered by western travelers to Ethiopia in the 1700's ...

hope this helps, I'm just talking ... 98.218.75.95 (talk) 19:25, 27 September 2011 (UTC)john tucker 9//2011 western calendar .... 98.218.75.95 (talk) 19:25, 27 September 2011 (UTC)john tucker 9//2011 or meskerem/2004

References

None sense

The gene pool and ancestry of Ethiopia is purely African with very little ad-mixture. The term "Caucasian" is not only outdated, but is flat out inaccurate. There is no such thing as a "Caucasian" race, the the Haplotypes and Clades that older anthropologists have labled "Caucasian" have yet to be proven to have evolved in Europe. The most likely, and most accurate way to describe it is in situ evolution, adaptation which created an indigenous African variant. There's nothing Caucasian, Asian, or European about it. It's for the most part, African.

"the current Ethiopian gene pool may be the product of in situ differentiation from an ancestral gene pool." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.118.205.171 (talk) 23:50, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

Hi Habesha I want to know in this time what did got the population of ethiopian people & how many did we get in the world? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.96.226.93 (talk) 08:00, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Infobox Images for Ethnic Groups

You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ethnic groups#Infobox Images for Ethnic Groups. Gyrofrog (talk) 18:44, 20 January 2011 (UTC) (Using {{Please see}}) -- Gyrofrog (talk) 18:44, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Scope of article

Some recent edits have excised any mention of Eritrea or Eritreans; one edit summary suggested that Eritreans do not refer to themselves as Habesha (which contradicts my own experience). Given the shared history concerning Axum and D'mt is seems disingenuous to completely omit Eritrea. For now I've reverted to the earlier version. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 18:57, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

habesha definition

since there's a user that believes gureges are habesha..source "Habesha. A self-descriptive cultural definition derived from "Abyssinia", today applied to the members of the Tigrinya ethno-linguistic group, as well as Tigrinya- and Amharic-speaking Chritstians in Ethiopia".-Historical Dictionary of Eritrea-p.279 [1] Baboon43 (talk) 04:37, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

that source is just one source, it is not gospel. And this deletion of Muslim is b/c the source does not specify Muslim. That does not mean the ref is true, but the fact that it said Christian must mean it excluded Muslims for some reason. We should keep searching as I am sure the source is incorrect. BUT It is NOT OR as Christiana states it is just --Inayity (talk) 13:24, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

Incomplete articles

There is much information missing regarding the Eritrean Habesha people. please participate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.209.80.123 (talk) 14:07, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

Recent edits

there is no ref for this, and i would add it is terribly written and gives us no encyclopedic info. Over 5 million of these people are Coptic Orthodox, with one priest for every 92 members—the highest concentration in Ethiopia. The remainder are Muslims. There are many Muslims in Tigray Province, but they generally belong to other ethnic groups. The Tigray are reported to have fewer than 500 evangelical believers. There are more believers among the Tigrinya in Eritrea.--Inayity (talk) 13:23, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

Agreed User:Inayity. Middayexpress (talk) 15:53, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Bilal

That Bilal Ibn Rabah was of Abyssinian descent is speculative. For one thing, the term "Abyssinian" was often used abroad to refer to persons in general from Abyssinia, including non-Habesha groups and individuals that had been assimilated under the empire. There are also contradictory physical descriptions of the man, some of which do jibe with an Abyssinian heritage whereas others do not particularly. Muhammad Abdul Rauf thus wrote that Bilal was of "impressive stature, dark brown complexion with sparkling eyes, a fine nose and bright skin" (which would be consistent with an Abyssinian background), whereas William Muir suggested that Bilal was "tall, dark, and with African feature and bushy hair" (which would be much less consistent with an Abyssinian background). Middayexpress (talk) 15:53, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

I believe we should also add Queen of Sheba and Abram Gannibal to the list, I added Bilal ibn Rabah but it got deleted not because of his descent, but because of pictures per row but I believe that adding these three together would be good additions. PacificWarrior101 (talk) 18:01, 2 April 2014 (UTC)PacificWarrior101

Bilal's background is speculative, as explained. So is Gannibal's, and he too doesn't match the physical description. For her part, the Queen of Sheba may not have even existed, nevermind her heritage. Her existence is based on legends, unlike, say, the very real Mahra. Middayexpress (talk) 18:52, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

I think it is a little strange to say he was not based upon being Dark, bushy hair. For some reason the world thinks that ALL Ethiopians have curly hair and brown skin. Well this is so not true it becomes laughable. And everything in that physical description is relative to a light skin person with straight hair. Relative to them his hair was Bushy, they have Italians who have bushy hair, would that make them non-Italian or African? I think not. And by that same yard stick, Menelik must not be Habesha based upon his features. --Inayity (talk) 21:34, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

well not anyone

anyone from Ethiopia or Eritrea? Not 100% true. We know many people are "from" Ethiopia but people from Gambela are not Habesha, i think this also extends to the Southern People's region (Surma, Mursi, etc) are not ever called Habesha. So while the identity is not taken by all, also some are not seen as Habesha. --Inayity (talk) 21:31, 20 September 2014 (UTC)