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Change the name

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Hey! When I created this page, I used the name Grotto of Our Lady of Lourdes, because it was unused. Yet, I was considering changing it to reflect the fact that it is the ND one, sine there are many replicas and the original one in France with the same name. I see it referenced as "Notre Dame Grotto" or "Grotto at Notre Dame", but I think the title should also contain the reference to Our Lady of Lourdess. So I came up with some proposals. Ideas?

  • Grotto of Our Lady of Lordes, Notre Dame
  • Grotto of Our Lady of Lordes, University of Notre Dame
  • Grotto of Our Lady of Lordes (Notre Dame)
  • Grotto of Our Lady of Lordes (University of Notre Dame)
  • Notre Dame Grotto of Our Lady of Lordes

Eccekevin (talk) 02:02, 6 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by Cielquiparle (talk09:24, 5 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The Grotto of Our Lady of Lourdes, 1896
The Grotto of Our Lady of Lourdes, 1896
  • ... that the Grotto of Our Lady of Lourdes at the University of Notre Dame (pictured) contains two stones originally from the Grotto at which Our Lady of Lourdes is said to have appeared to Saint Bernadette? Source: Dorothy V., Corson (2006). A Cave of Candles: The Story Behind Notre Dame's Grotto. Nappanee, IN: Evangel Press. pp. 148–151. ISBN 978-1-933858-11-1. LCCN 2006908917.

5x expanded by Red-tailed hawk (talk) and Eccekevin (talk). Nominated by Red-tailed hawk (talk) at 22:49, 12 December 2022 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
QPQ: Done.

Overall: @Red-tailed hawk: Intereseting read. It's wonderful to see how far the article has come in shuch a short time. I'm going to assume good faith with the offline source, but other than, everything chekcs out. Approving; I'll let the DYK promoters deal with the special date request. Unlimitedlead (talk) 17:08, 20 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Red-tailed hawk and Eccekevin: Slight problem here in that the hook actually contains more information than the article does. Would you be able to add in the article, at least one sentence explaining the significance of the original grotto and the story re: Our Lady of Lourdes and Saint Bernadette? At the moment, the article seems to assume that the reader already knows the story, or that they will click to another page to read about it. Cielquiparle (talk) 06:13, 4 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Cielquiparle: I've added a mention of Saint Bernadette within the context of the original Lourdes Grotto. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 19:13, 4 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Article lede / lead paragraph

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@Red-tailed hawk I think the first sentence or at least the first paragraph has to clarify the location of the University of Notre Dame. Not everyone will know it's in the United States (even though it is very famous) – in this case it's extra confusing since the original grotto was in France. (Side note: Stubs aren't allowed to run on the main page/DYK, so in future please get the article rated beforehand. Might be worth adding more relevant WikiProjects above as well.) Thanks! Cielquiparle (talk) 05:56, 6 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Does the location being listed in the infobox work to reduce that confusion? The reason I omitted it from the first paragraph of the lead is that it makes the prose fairly clunky. I can see if I can try to work it into the later paragraphs of the lead to include the information whilst not clunking up the phrasing. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 06:29, 6 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Yes. or maybe second paragraph, French Holy Cross priest who founded...in the United States. Cielquiparle (talk) 07:53, 6 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]