Talk:Groninger Studentencorps Vindicat atque Polit

Okay. Thank you, for your thorough reply. I agree with your edits now...

Keep up the good work!

The Beagle 21:38, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

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Beagle,

Just saw you changed back the alterations I made earlier: 'Vindicat atque Polit' does not best translate into 'Maintain and Refine'; maybe 'Handhaaft en Beschaaft' translates into this from Dutch to English but from English to Latin it would rather be:

Vindicat: (To) Vindicate

vin·di·cate Pronunciation (vnd-kt) tr.v. vin·di·cat·ed, vin·di·cat·ing, vin·di·cates

1. To clear of accusation, blame, suspicion, or doubt with supporting arguments or proof: "Our society permits people to sue for libel so that they may vindicate their reputations" Irving R. Kaufman. 2. To provide justification or support for: vindicate one's claim. 3. To justify or prove the worth of, especially in light of later developments. 4. To defend, maintain, or insist on the recognition of (one's rights, for example). 5. To exact revenge for; avenge. [Latin vindicre, vindict-, from vindex, vindic-, surety, avenger; see deik- in Indo-European roots.]

and Polit: (To)Polish'

po·lite Pronunciation (p-lt) adj. po·lit·er, po·lit·est 1. Marked by or showing consideration for others, tact, and observance of accepted social usage. 2. Refined; elegant: polite society. [Middle English polit, polished, from Latin poltus, past participle of polre, to polish; see polish.]. pol·ish Pronunciation (plsh)

v. pol·ished, pol·ish·ing, pol·ish·es v.tr. 1. To make smooth and shiny by rubbing or chemical action. 2. To remove the outer layers from (grains of rice) by rotation in drums. 3. To free from coarseness; refine: polish one's manners. 4. To remove flaws from; perfect or complete: polish one's piano technique; polish up the lyrics. v.intr. 1. To become smooth or shiny by or as if by being rubbed. 2. To become perfect or refined. n. 1. Smoothness or shininess of surface or finish. 2. A substance containing chemical agents or abrasive particles and applied to smooth or shine a surface: shoe polish. 3. The act or process of polishing. 4. Elegance of style or manners; refinement. Phrasal Verb: polish off Informal To finish or dispose of quickly and easily. [Middle English polisshen, from Old French polir, poliss-, from Latin polire; see pel-5 in Indo-European roots.]

'Mutua Fides' is not 'Mutual Loyalty' but rather 'Mutual Trust' or 'Mutual Confidence' (see 'fide(s)' in confidence)(E.g.: In Dutch it translates into 'Wederzijds Vertrouwen').

And finally, an anniversary festival is something that is celebrated each year, hence the 'anni-' from the Latin annum, which means year.

an·ni·ver·sa·ry Pronunciation (n-vûrs-r) n. pl. an·ni·ver·sa·ries 1. The annually recurring date of a past event, especially one of historical, national, or personal importance: a wedding anniversary; the anniversary of the founding of Rome. 2. A celebration commemorating such a date. [Middle English anniversarie, from Medieval Latin (dis) anniversria, anniversary (day), from Latin, feminine of anniversrius, returning yearly : annus, year; see at- in Indo-European roots + versus, past participle of vertere, to turn; see wer-2 in Indo-European roots.]

Suggested to rather use: Lustrum, which is an official English word:

lus·trum Pronunciation (lstrm) n. pl. lus·trums or lus·tra (-tr) 1. A ceremonial purification of the entire ancient Roman population after the census every five years. 2. A period of five years.

And with regards to Union: you could choose to use union as translation for 'Sociëteit':

un·ion Pronunciation (ynyn) n. 1. a. The act of uniting or the state of being united. b. A combination so formed, especially an alliance or confederation of people, parties, or political entities for mutual interest or benefit. 2. Mathematics A set, every member of which is an element of one or another of two or more given sets. 3. Agreement or harmony resulting from the uniting of individuals; concord. 4. a. The state of matrimony; marriage: "The element that was to make possible such a union was trust in each other's love" Kate Chopin. b. Sexual intercourse. 5. a. A combination of parishes for joint administration of relief for the poor in Great Britain. b. A workhouse maintained by such a union. 6. A labor union. 7. A coupling device for connecting parts, such as pipes or rods. 8. A device on a flag or ensign, occupying the upper inner corner or the entire field, that signifies the union of two or more sovereignties. 9. often Union a. An organization at a college or university that provides facilities for recreation; a student union. b. A building housing such facilities. 10. Union The United States of America regarded as a national unit, especially during the Civil War. adj. 1. Union Of, relating to, or loyal to the United States of America during the Civil War: a Union soldier. 2. Of or relating to a labor union or labor union organizing: the union movement; union negotiations. [Middle English, from Old French, from Late Latin ni, nin-, from Latin nus, one; see oi-no- in Indo-European roots.]

But given the fact that the Dutch word is derived directly from the Latin 'Societas' and its history is much closer to the meaning of Society (below), one could also argue that Society is more fitting, to underpin the fact that the student unions in the anglo-american tradition were set up in a a different tradition. That is why Fraternity does not translate into corps or vereniging even:

so·ci·e·ty Pronunciation (s-s-t) n. pl. so·ci·e·ties 1. a. The totality of social relationships among humans. b. A group of humans broadly distinguished from other groups by mutual interests, participation in characteristic relationships, shared institutions, and a common culture. c. The institutions and culture of a distinct self-perpetuating group. 2. An organization or association of persons engaged in a common profession, activity, or interest: a folklore society; a society of bird watchers. '3. a. The rich, privileged, and fashionable social class. b. The socially dominant members of a community.' 4. Companionship; company: enjoys the society of friends and family members. 5. Biology A colony or community of organisms, usually of the same species: an insect society. [French société, from Old French, from Latin societas, fellowship, from socius, companion; see sekw-1 in Indo-European roots.]

For Unitas, union would linguistically probably be better for their building than for the Society of a Student Corps. Societas does not refer to the building but to the entity. Proof of this is further found in the fact that both the Senate (Corps) AND the Society were founded on seperate dates, as seperate and destinct entities and/or organisations (Feb. 4 and March 3 respectively).

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Best Regards,

Chihuahua