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Organisation of NSW government articles

Hi - I'm trying to do a brief update to this page amongst others, and I'm finding that the massive list of NSW government articles has become extremely complex and unclear as to what each article covers. For example, this article is meant (?) to cover the executive branch, but basically gives an introduction to the legislative branch and the list of ministers, while Politics of New South Wales talks about the legislative branch for each level of government not the state political structure, and then New South Wales repeats it all again? And then Parliament of New South Wales covers the structure for a fourth time, but then also talks about executive government, the ministers, and the state emblem?

My first thought is to do a sweeping review/fix-up and have it like this:

• New South Wales - brief intro under #Government to the three branches, merge most content about state emblems into this article
• NSW Government/this article - brief reference (not intro, just mention) of the three branches, but focus on the executive branch that operates under the NSW Government identity, structured into its portfolios/clusters
  • Department articles for each as relevant which provide details etc about the dept, and its underlying agencies (or split to own article as indicated)
  • Each ministry article - such as Minns ministry
• Parliament of New South Wales - all about the legislative branch, merge any members of xx articles in the relevant chamber's article
  • Legislative Assembly
  • Legislative Council
• Politics of New South Wales - elections, parties, campaigns etc
  • 2023 New South Wales election etc articles
• Judiciary of New South Wales - all about the judicial branch/court system
  • Article for each general court (Local, District, Supreme), then a combined article for the specialist courts

Can I get people's thoughts about doing a major clean up of all these articles and getting rid of the duplication? Cheers! Tim (Talk) 06:01, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

I am generally amenable to the changes proposed, especially splitting up the three branches of Government.

The only thing I would change/add is that the Government of New South Wales be the where all three branches of Government are found and a seperate executive page be created. Perhaps this could be a reuse and expansion of the Exec Council page.

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Gus7896 (talk) Gus7896 (talk) 02:24, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

I support OP's changes, however I disagree with Gus7896's suggestion that information on the executive branch be placed in the Executive Council page.

The Executive Council is it's own body (the Executive Council of New South Wales) which is specifically defined in law as a body consisting of every Minister of the State present and past (everyone who is entitled to use the title 'The Honourable' due to their service to New South Wales is in this council). I agree with OP in saying that it's more appropriate for this page (entitled 'Government of New South Wales') to contain information about the executive branch, as that is the style that the executive branch uses for itself. I do, however, support this page being turned into more of a brief overview, directing to individual departments instead.

What I haven't seen either of you mention, however, is that each "department" is not actually the direct divisions of the executive branch of the government. The next divisions of the executive branch is actually "portfolios" (what is referred to in this article as 'clusters', however that term has been dropped by the government), where each portfolio contains a department which is generally named after the portfolio. A major consideration for this distinction is the existence of statutory agencies, which are created by law and are legally independent from any executive department, however still fall within a 'portfolio'.

For example, the portfolio of Health contains the NSW Department of Health, as well as an independent statutory agency named the Health Care Complaints Commission.

Geordannik (talk) 09:16, 14 October 2024 (UTC)