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Nominator: Hog Farm (talk · contribs) 16:04, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: Gog the Mild (talk · contribs) 12:38, 24 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]


I'll look at this one. Gog the Mild (talk) 12:38, 24 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV ()
3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant ()
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  • A couple of p/pp errors.
  • Friend, the ISSN is 0038-478X and the OCLC is 9972975822.
  • The map: the original source should be under "Source", not "Description".
    • That stuff isn't actually the source of this - the editor who created this is a professional Civil War cartographer who has had his maps printed in some reliable scholarly sources and donated a bunch of maps to Wikipedia. I don't know for sure what sources Hal Jespersen used, but the stuff in the description was added by another editor for verifiability reasons. Hog Farm Talk 03:10, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Maybe add a standard map to locate the activity within the eastern/south-eastern US?
  • Two images are missing alt text.
    • Added, although I struggled with this a bit for the theater map
  • Both images seem small, the map unreadably so.
  • "Texian", really? I thought the possessive was either Texican or Texan.
  • "His father used his influence to push for his release, and upon returning to Kentucky resumed the practice of law." It is unclear who resumed the practise of law.
    • Clarified
  • "He had been arrested for drunkenness once". Suggest either deleting "once" or using 'on one occasion'.
  • "it was too late to move the troops back across the river." And so?
  • "in a backwater region". Suggest also naming it.
  • "a departmental command." Which would be what?

Is this about the level you want? If the GAN coordinators look in on this they will think I have gone mad. More to follow. Gog the Mild (talk) 22:21, 24 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, this is very helpful. I'm hoping to take this directly to FAC in mid-February, bypassing ACR entirely as that process tends to take several months now. Hog Farm Talk 03:10, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

More to follow. Gog the Mild (talk) 22:05, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

General: the article IMO has too much detail in places. I can just about live with this at GAN, but would take a lot of convincing at FAC. Eg, IMO all the stuff on the Crittenden Compromise should go; the bean anecdote has too much detail (especially for something which almost certainly didn't happen)

I've trimmed down the bean bit; I think the story about him drawing the beans twice needs to be included - it made it into the American National Biography, Eubank, and several other sources. I agree with Pritchard that this is probably wrong and I think its significant that the TSHA source makes no mention of this at all. But this has become enough of a folkloric accretion to the historic memory of Crittenden that I think it needs to be mentioned. The Crittenden Compromise has been cut down to one sentence stating that it happened and was rejected; I think it's likewise significant to note that while George was going south and Thomas going north, their notable father was trying to stave off war. Beyond the beans and the (possibly inebriated) Mill Springs disaster, the whole Brother against brother nature of how the Crittenden family split - major general north, major general south, father trying to stave off the war - is what Crittenden is known for, at least in the United States. Hog Farm Talk 02:08, 26 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't suggest that you remove the bean anecdote, just that it had "too much detail". Similarly if keeping a clear mention of father trying to stave off the war is in your opinion important, fine; but did it really need that level of detail. Feel free to expand "but the compromise was not approved." a bit. War drawing closer, Crittenden Sr desperately hawking his plan around, the last best hope of avoiding war - build a bit of dramatic tension. Gog the Mild (talk) 23:15, 26 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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