Talk:George Albert, Margrave of Brandenburg-Kulmbach

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Requested move 27 August 2024

It has been proposed in this section that George Albert, Margrave of Brandenburg-Kulmbach be renamed and moved to Georg Albrecht, Margrave of Brandenburg-Kulmbach.

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George Albert, Margrave of Brandenburg-Kulmbach → Georg Albrecht, Margrave of Brandenburg-Kulmbach – Both online cited sources use "Georg" (without "e") and "Albrecht". —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 23:09, 27 August 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Reading Beans 16:54, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. Fine about the German naming, but shouldn't it be "of Brandenburg-Bayreuth" rather than Kulmbach? e.g. Per here... Incidentally, the two sources in the article appear to pertain to his son rather than directly to him. — Amakuru (talk) 23:21, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, that too, I suppose. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 23:30, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment, shouldn't it be moved to Georg Albrecht von Brandenburg-Kulmbach? Both references list him under that name, and if there's no explicit English useage then we shouldn't be translating for no reason.--Ortizesp (talk) 14:45, 28 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Georg Albrecht, Margrave of Brandenburg-Bayreuth per the only English-language reliable source provided (above by Amakaru). DrKay (talk) 09:12, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisting comment: I don’t see a consensus yet. Relisting for further input from the community. Best. Reading Beans 16:54, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support Georg Albrecht, Margrave of Brandenburg-Bayreuth per WP:UE (no established English name). Also, according to the article Christian, Margrave of Brandenburg-Bayreuth the principality changed its name from "Brandenburg-Kulmbach" to "Brandenburg-Bayreuth" in 1604 when the seat of power was moved. If correct (the article is unsourced), this would imply that "of Brandenburg-Bayreth" is indeed the "correct" designation here. @Ortizesp: I think translating the title is in accordance with WP:UE (last paragraph) and WP:NCROY#Other cases. Btw, Deutsche Biografie entry has a list of alternate titles. Jähmefyysikko (talk) 11:06, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm not interpreting it that way, because of the second paragraph of WP:UE "If there are too few reliable English-language sources to constitute an established usage, follow the conventions of the language appropriate to the subject (German for German politicians, Portuguese for Brazilian towns, and so on)".--Ortizesp (talk) 12:06, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  On the other hand, If there is no established English-language treatment for a name, translate it if this can be done without loss of accuracy and with greater understanding for the English-speaking reader. There is no loss of accuracy if "Markgraf von X" is translated to "Margrave of X". But I notice you don't recommend including the German title "Markgraf" here. Do you think omitting it is more common in the literature? Above, you mentioned the references currently in the article, but those are self-published, so I wouldn't put any weight on them. Jähmefyysikko (talk) 12:30, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]