Talk:Gebhard Schädler

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Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: withdrawn by nominator, closed by BlueMoonset talk 16:58, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redoing the original "withdrawn" self-close by nominator so template is closed properly

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~~... that Gebhard Schädler was the first academically trained doctor in Liechtenstein?~~ Source: "Schädler war der erste mit Sicherheit akademisch ausgebildete Arzt in Liechtenstein." https://historisches-lexikon.li/Schädler,_Gebhard
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Created by TheBritinator (talk). Self-nominated at 22:22, 7 January 2024 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Gebhard Schädler; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.[reply]

Comment What the (German) source says is that the doctor was the first where we have certainty that he was academically trained. Or in other words, there may be earlier ones as well, but we can’t say that with certainty. That’s another "first" hook that must be rejected. Schwede 66 17:46, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
TheBritinator, can you please provide an alternative hook? Schwede 66 16:28, 16 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Sure Schwede66. How about ALT1: "...that Gebhard Schädler was the only academically trained doctor practising in Liechtenstein for 12 years?" This would also bring the source of: Im Dezember 1813 nahm Grass seine Tätigkeit als Arzt in Vaduz auf. Neben ihm praktizierte in Liechtenstein nur der Landesphysikus Gebhard Schädler. https://historisches-lexikon.li/Grass,_Ludwig_(Josef_Johann_Ludwig) — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheBritinator (talk • contribs) 16:38, 19 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  - Pinging Schwede66, since previous unsigned ping wouldn't have gone through. BlueMoonset (talk) 18:56, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1 checks out. That said, I suggest that the words "academically trained" aren't necessary, hence the hook could be simplified. I haven't done the other DYK checks; hence no tick. Schwede 66 20:23, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Full review needed now that an alternative hook has been suggested. Thank you. BlueMoonset (talk) 21:48, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ready to review. User:TheBritinator, User:Schwede66, I think ALT1 is too ambiguous - unclear on first reading what "for 12 years" means, - "12, not 10?", I thought. Put it at the beginning please or rephrase differently. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:33, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Having looked closer, I don't think the whole duration thing is worth pursuing, - the first source I read has "einige Jahre" (several years), no precise 12, and I don't see 12 in the article either. How about the first smallpox vacc and/or the midwives' training, instead of just a time? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:41, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We could also say that he treated the poor and the court officials for nothing, probably had to for the latter. Landesphysicus - no idea how that would translate, sort of State Physician. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:47, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I believe that this document should be part of the article. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:52, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The article is practically written on one source which we will have to accept, as it is a solid encyclopedia. I'd like a bit of a summary in the lead, and think we can't just say master's degree for the historic Magister which was rather an equivalent to today's doctorate (which needs to be explained). Waiting for a hook or two, and these changes. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:46, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@TheBritinator: Please address the above. Z1720 (talk) 02:22, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Just going to withdraw this to be honest, I have no desire to improve it anymore as I don't believe it is as good for DYK as I did 2 months ago. Thanks for everyone's time. TheBritinator (talk) 15:48, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I realised I forgot to put the correct date: The article was created on 29 December, apologies. TheBritinator (talk) 22:54, 7 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]