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Azawadi or Malian?

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Several editors have recently listed Gao and other cities as now belonging to Azawad rather than Mali. While I understand where they're coming from, the international community continues to view these as Malian cities, and the news coverage I've seen follows their lead: [1], for example. Once the news begins to recognize Azawad as a legitimate state, I agree that we should follow their lead, but until then, it seems to me that we need to follow reliable sources in our coverage, as always. Khazar2 (talk) 07:21, 27 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Finally it is about what is more important, diplomatic recognition by other countries or political control on the ground. What are the precedent on Wikipedia on non recognized but sovereign states and on internationally recognized but occupied or non sovereign states?--Remzone (talk) 08:08, 27 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

That's a good question. You might ask at the pages of places like Kosovo to see how consensus has previously worked on this. But again, the biggest guide will always be how our sources refer to the region. As long as the BBC and other leading news organizations call it Malian territory, Wikipedia probably will, too. So you might keep an eye on news coverage to see how it evolves. Once the majority tips to "Azawad" (I agree this is likely to eventually happen, but we'll see), that's the point where I think most editors will agree we should change our coverage, too. Khazar2 (talk) 08:16, 27 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

This page http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Tskhinvali seems very relevent to the situation to me.--Remzone (talk) 08:19, 27 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Good example. If Azawad gets similar recognition from major powers, we can introduce some similarly nuanced language here. Khazar2 (talk) 08:56, 27 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

South Ossetia is only recognized by Russia. The big majority of the diplomatic points of views are that it is Georgia. But of course it is not, since it is not at all in control of Georgia and they lost two wars about South Ossetia. This is the case than here. --Remzone (talk) 10:28, 27 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Gao Falls to Islamists

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Many news outlets are reporting that the Movement for Oneness and Jihad in West Africa (MUJAO) has routed the MNLA out of Gao. Someone with more comprehensive knowledge should write this up in the article.Inkan1969 (talk) 01:08, 29 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. I'm off to bed now but might try to add this tomorrow. I'm wary of giving it too much article space--Gao is a city with such a long history that it's a bit recentist to overly focus on this--but we should at least mention who currently has control, and link to Battle of Gao for more details. Khazar2 (talk) 06:15, 30 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

-- Recent events -- Fighting has broken out again http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/sns-rt-us-mali-crisis-fightingbre8af1ca-20121116,0,6508817.story Pug6666☼☯, 02:45, 2 December 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pug6666 (talk • contribs)

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