Talk:Fuck-me shoes

This article is part of WikiProject Gender studies. This WikiProject aims to improve the quality of articles dealing with gender studies and to remove systematic gender bias from Wikipedia. If you would like to participate in the project, you can choose to edit this article, or visit the project page for more information.Gender studiesWikipedia:WikiProject Gender studiesTemplate:WikiProject Gender studiesGender studies articles

Mid

This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.

To-do list:

Here are some tasks awaiting attention:

Assess : see Unassessed Gender studies articles and Unknown-importance Gender studies articles
Cleanup : edit to see
Collaborate : see /Collaboration
Copyedit : edit to see
Deletion sorting : see /Sexuality and gender
Expand : edit to see
Infobox : see Gender studies articles needing infoboxes
Merge : edit to see
Notability : edit to see
NPOV : edit to see
Orphans : Brannon Masculinity Scale · Holy Virility · Media and gender · Michael Kaufman (author) · Women's education in Saudi Arabia
Photo : see Wikipedia requested photographs of gender studies
Split : History of feminism
Stubs : see Gender studies stubs
Translate : see /translation
Update : edit to see
Verify : Riot grrrl
Needs attention : see Gender studies articles needing attention

Feminism Mid‑importance

	Feminism portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Feminism, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Feminism on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.FeminismWikipedia:WikiProject FeminismTemplate:WikiProject FeminismFeminism articles
Mid	This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.

Fashion Mid‑importance

	Fashion portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Fashion, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Fashion on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.FashionWikipedia:WikiProject FashionTemplate:WikiProject Fashionfashion articles
Mid	This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.

Women

This article is within the scope of WikiProject Women, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of women on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.WomenWikipedia:WikiProject WomenTemplate:WikiProject WomenWikiProject Women articles

Sexology and sexuality Mid‑importance

	Human sexuality portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Sexology and sexuality, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of human sexuality on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Sexology and sexualityWikipedia:WikiProject Sexology and sexualityTemplate:WikiProject Sexology and sexualitySexology and sexuality articles
Mid	This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.

Discrimination Mid‑importance

	This article is within the scope of WikiProject Discrimination, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Discrimination on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.DiscriminationWikipedia:WikiProject DiscriminationTemplate:WikiProject DiscriminationDiscrimination articles
Mid	This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the importance scale.

Women's History Mid‑importance

	History portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Women's History, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Women's history and related articles on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Women's HistoryWikipedia:WikiProject Women's HistoryTemplate:WikiProject Women's HistoryWomen's History articles
Mid	This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.

Requested move 14 March 2015

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: not moved. (non-admin closure) –Chase (talk / contribs) 22:28, 21 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Fuck-me shoes → Fuck-me boots – The terms is more usually used with "boots" as the final word, as can be seen when doing a seach with Bing or Google. Boot Blues (talk) 12:32, 14 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. Simple Google search gives 28.7 million hits for shoes vs. 14.8 for boots. And personally have never heard the phrase using boots but always as shoes. older ≠ wiser 18:38, 14 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Like Mandruss said, the phrase needs to be in quotes. You get 28.7 million hits for shoes and 14.8 for boots, but when you use quotes, you get 115,000 for "fuck me shoes" and 348,000 for "fuck me boots". Melonkelon (talk) 22:31, 14 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  - Wel, if you really want to get down to brass tacks and let Google eliminate duplicate entries by going to the last page for each, there are 247 results for "Fuck-me shoes" and 191 results for "Fuck-me boots". And consider Google Books: 5,480 for "Fuck-me shoes" and 529 for "Fuck-me boots" Still no evidence that boots is more common usage. older ≠ wiser 23:54, 14 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - WP:COMMONNAME specifies, "Wikipedia prefers the name that is most commonly used (as determined by its prevalence in reliable English-language sources)". Usually this means something narrower than a simple Google search, such as a search of Google News Archive. However, that search yields too few hits to be statistically significant (less than 50 each), so I resort to a simple Google search. I don't know exactly how the proposer came up with their results, but I currently get almost 10 million hits for "fuck me shoes" and about 350,000 hits for "fuck me boots". (Note that the phrase needs to be in quotes for the most accurate results, otherwise the hit counts include partial matches like "fuck shoes".) I commend the proposer for doing this request for move rather than just moving it without discussion, which they might have gotten away with on such a minor article. They show a better spirit of collaboration than many editors with fifty times their edit count. Well done. ―Mandruss ☎ 18:46, 14 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- NOTE: "fuck me shoes" is now showing 115,000. I swear it was at over 9.9 million before. I'm at WP:RDC trying to find out how that can happen. ―Mandruss ☎ 21:40, 14 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

	Google Search hit count	Google Books hit count	Google News Archive hit count	Average percent- of-total
"fuck me shoes"	115,000 (25%)	5,480 (91%)	36 (45%)	54%
"fuck me boots"	350,000 (75%)	529 (9%)	44 (55%)	46%

So far, it seems shoes beats boots by a significant margin. Boots has a big lead in Google Search, but that includes every little forum/blog/personal web page in the Webiverse, which is not what we mean by "reliable sources". If anyone wants to suggest other verifiable metrics to be added to the mix, knock yoself out. ―Mandruss ☎ 00:53, 15 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Ngram Viewer at Google Books gives some interesting results, also showing "fuck-me shoes" in the lead, and showing that it originated about 15 years before "fuck-me boots". ―Mandruss ☎ 03:54, 15 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, all of the above has been wasted effort. According to Boot, boots are a type of shoe, in the general sense of the word "shoe", as in footwear. But shoes are not a type of boot. "Fuck-me pumps", another common term that already redirects to this article, are clearly not boots. So "shoe", as the more general term, is the obvious choice for the title as it encompasses everything covered in the article, whereas "boot" does not. The only change needed is in the first sentence, as follows:

Fuck-me shoes, alternatively fuck-me boots, is a derisive slang term ... should be

Fuck-me shoes, fuck-me pumps, and fuck-me boots are derisive slang terms ...

―Mandruss ☎ 04:29, 15 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose clearly not, since many of them are not boots at all. -- 65.94.43.89 (talk) 05:52, 15 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Does this sort of footwear have another name that does not contain a 4-letter word? I always knew them as "kinky boots". Anthony Appleyard (talk) 07:00, 15 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sure it does, since as the first sentence says these are slang terms. The article is as much about the terms as the footwear the terms refer to, so it's impossible to eliminate the 4-letter word. ―Mandruss ☎ 07:18, 15 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

CFM shoes 76.120.162.73 (talk) 20:26, 17 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. The Google Book evidence above is decisive and I've only heard the phrase with shoes before. -- Calidum 20:45, 15 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Local variation.

In Australia, back in the days when most women wore high heels, they had to be RED ones to be called this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:8003:e448:d401:7939:6060:703e:86e8 (talk) 02:39, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

German has the concept of the fick mich Frisur, a hairdo with similar connotations. Nearly choked on my beer the first time I heard it, used by a waitress in a bar to describe, somewhat disdainfully, a younger colleague… Mr Larrington (talk) 00:24, 30 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

wrong boots!

as an american raised on mostly 80s (college) slang, i have never once heard "fuck-me shoes". fair enough, maybe it's regional.

and fuck-me boots, aka come-fuck-mes, refer to a particular kind of LOW CUT slutty mini boots. usually made of like velour. none of these thigh-high leather boots with spike heels etc. would qualify. those were sometimes "slut boots" or "hooker boots", but FMBs and CFMs were low things, with pretty minor heels.

i think the proper name may be ankle boots. is no one with me on this interpretation?

btw, we also had "fuck me clogs" -- for one particular style of clog -- but, again, no fuck-me SHOES. 2601:18A:8080:EA60:E01B:FD2A:1BC3:720C (talk) 06:17, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]