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Requested move 14 March 2015

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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: not moved. (non-admin closure)Chase (talk / contribs) 22:28, 21 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]


Fuck-me shoesFuck-me boots – The terms is more usually used with "boots" as the final word, as can be seen when doing a seach with Bing or Google. Boot Blues (talk) 12:32, 14 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose. Simple Google search gives 28.7 million hits for shoes vs. 14.8 for boots. And personally have never heard the phrase using boots but always as shoes. olderwiser 18:38, 14 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - WP:COMMONNAME specifies, "Wikipedia prefers the name that is most commonly used (as determined by its prevalence in reliable English-language sources)". Usually this means something narrower than a simple Google search, such as a search of Google News Archive. However, that search yields too few hits to be statistically significant (less than 50 each), so I resort to a simple Google search. I don't know exactly how the proposer came up with their results, but I currently get almost 10 million hits for "fuck me shoes" and about 350,000 hits for "fuck me boots". (Note that the phrase needs to be in quotes for the most accurate results, otherwise the hit counts include partial matches like "fuck shoes".) I commend the proposer for doing this request for move rather than just moving it without discussion, which they might have gotten away with on such a minor article. They show a better spirit of collaboration than many editors with fifty times their edit count. Well done. ―Mandruss  18:46, 14 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Google Search
hit count
Google Books
hit count
Google News Archive
hit count
Average percent-
of-total
"fuck me shoes" 115,000 (25%) 5,480 (91%) 36 (45%) 54%
"fuck me boots" 350,000 (75%) 529 (9%) 44 (55%) 46%

So far, it seems shoes beats boots by a significant margin. Boots has a big lead in Google Search, but that includes every little forum/blog/personal web page in the Webiverse, which is not what we mean by "reliable sources". If anyone wants to suggest other verifiable metrics to be added to the mix, knock yoself out. ―Mandruss  00:53, 15 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Ngram Viewer at Google Books gives some interesting results, also showing "fuck-me shoes" in the lead, and showing that it originated about 15 years before "fuck-me boots". ―Mandruss  03:54, 15 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, all of the above has been wasted effort. According to Boot, boots are a type of shoe, in the general sense of the word "shoe", as in footwear. But shoes are not a type of boot. "Fuck-me pumps", another common term that already redirects to this article, are clearly not boots. So "shoe", as the more general term, is the obvious choice for the title as it encompasses everything covered in the article, whereas "boot" does not. The only change needed is in the first sentence, as follows:

Fuck-me shoes, alternatively fuck-me boots, is a derisive slang term ... should be
Fuck-me shoes, fuck-me pumps, and fuck-me boots are derisive slang terms ...

Mandruss  04:29, 15 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sure it does, since as the first sentence says these are slang terms. The article is as much about the terms as the footwear the terms refer to, so it's impossible to eliminate the 4-letter word. ―Mandruss  07:18, 15 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
CFM shoes 76.120.162.73 (talk) 20:26, 17 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Local variation.

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In Australia, back in the days when most women wore high heels, they had to be RED ones to be called this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:8003:e448:d401:7939:6060:703e:86e8 (talk) 02:39, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

German has the concept of the fick mich Frisur, a hairdo with similar connotations. Nearly choked on my beer the first time I heard it, used by a waitress in a bar to describe, somewhat disdainfully, a younger colleague… Mr Larrington (talk) 00:24, 30 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]


wrong boots!

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as an american raised on mostly 80s (college) slang, i have never once heard "fuck-me shoes". fair enough, maybe it's regional.

and fuck-me boots, aka come-fuck-mes, refer to a particular kind of LOW CUT slutty mini boots. usually made of like velour. none of these thigh-high leather boots with spike heels etc. would qualify. those were sometimes "slut boots" or "hooker boots", but FMBs and CFMs were low things, with pretty minor heels.

i think the proper name may be ankle boots. is no one with me on this interpretation?

btw, we also had "fuck me clogs" -- for one particular style of clog -- but, again, no fuck-me SHOES. 2601:18A:8080:EA60:E01B:FD2A:1BC3:720C (talk) 06:17, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]