Talk:Emblems of the Kalmar Union

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Now this is more known as the Nordic flag than the flag of the kalmar union. Check the Nordic (swedish, norwegian, danish) wikipedias.

http://sv.wiki.x.io/wiki/Nordens_flagga http://da.wiki.x.io/wiki/Nordens_flag http://no.wiki.x.io/wiki/Nordens_flagg

So I hope you create this article under the Nordic flag, but also mention the swan flag. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.24.77.16 (talk) 00:42, 23 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No. The flag is not known as the Nordic flag. It is generally not well known and it is only possibly a flag for the Kalmar Union. It has never had widespread use and besides possibly during the Kalmar Union it has never been used as a common flag for the Nordic. The Scandinavian wikis have it wrong.Inge (talk) 06:41, 23 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

As a man from scandinavia, The North I have to say it is the Nordic Flag, not many people here has heard about the Kalmarunionen. So please add this picture

File:Nordensflag.jpg

and change the article to Nordic flag. I have alot of digital images of the nordic flag, which proves is a the Nordic flag and not a flag of the kalmar union which not exist anymore. It is more known as the Nordic flag or the Scandinavian flag. It also used so in the great selling computer games: medieval total war 2 and Europa universalis and Hearts of Iron 2, as the Scandinavian flag.

Example for the start of the article: The Nordic flag, or also called the Kalmar Union flag. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.216.171.20 (talk) 20:12, 15 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Time to change the name of the article to the nordic flag since it being used as such by nordic states television channels. It was the kalmarunion, now it is the Norden flag.

Nordic flag vs Kalmar Union flag

It is more like guess to have this as the flag of Kalmar Union, as even written descriptions have not survived. And, of the eight wikis I can read (excluding the thai wiki), three have "Nordic flag" and five have "Kalmar Union flag" or similar. Maybe it could and should be put as "this is the best guess to what might have been the Kalmar Union flag", though I am not sure of that either. 82.141.67.208 (talk) 19:44, 21 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It's complete fiction, in 1430 some priests were ordered to wear a red cross on yellow as "banner of the realms"(original phrasing in Latin?) -- this does not make for a "flag of the Kalmar Union". In reality, late medieval heraldry is still personal and not "national", and each ruler has his own coat of arms. But with the increasing fashion of "personal unions", late medieval rulers would "collect" the arms of previous dynasties ruling their territories, and the idea that these represent the "kingdom" rather than a dynasty seems to arise right here, during the 15th century. The "coat of arms of the Kalmar Union" would still be, first and foremost, a heraldic combination of the constituent kingdoms. And apparently this design was also shown on naval flags, as evidenced by the one, lost, such flag dated to between c. 1400 and 1420. But then there is the special case of the "Three Crowns", it seems completely unclear where it came from and what it represented originally, but here, clearly, Eric puts them on his seal to say "check it out, I have three crowns!", so this, if any, would be "the symbol of the Kalmar Union". Of course, now it has become a symbol of Sweden instead, so it may be misleading to just use it in that way. --dab (𒁳) 21:39, 30 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

hm, but comparing Eric's seal with the Danish flag, the parallel is striking, but even more striking is the change replacing the Swedish lion with the Norwegian one and getting rid of the Norwegian inescutcheon, so that the Three Crowns in the flag seem to represent Sweden, kind of by process of elimination, while in the seal they seem to represent the union. But then the "flag" is really a drawing of a copy of a lost flag, and who knows in what state of preservation the original would have been. Clearly this is problematic and needs to be based on (excellent, heraldic) secondary references. --dab (𒁳) 21:49, 30 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]