Talk:Development of the nervous system

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Brain development

new section on migration

...has been added but needs work PRH969 14:02, 24 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This needs A LOT of work. 69.139.75.80 04:19, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

do realize this. Feel free to make your contribution PRH969 13:29, 22 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Patterning

I've just started a new section, patterning. It needs input about the rostrocaudal axis and HOX genes. I will get round to this soon hopefully, as well as updating neural migration. Feel free to edit away too Snellios (talk) 23:56, 14 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Strange

There is also a page Neural development in humans, very similar, but there was no link from here to there and vice versa. Added to "see also". Specialist attention needed. --CopperKettle 18:30, 21 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This article seems to be largely human-oriented, though it is not stated explicitly. Gypsydoctor (talk) 22:52, 2 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Neural Induction, Neurotrophic Hypothesis, Synapse Formation

Added content to these sections. --Anirvan0419 (talk) 13:20, 4 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Very nice to see all this information being added. While I hate to look a gift horse in the mouth, I wonder if there is anything you can do to make the added material more accessible to a wider group of readers? Ideally an ordinary undergraduate, or even advanced high school student, should be able to get the gist of a Wikipedia article on a broad topic like this. Regards, Looie496 (talk) 16:50, 4 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It's a very good point. Having a separate page called "Brain Development" would have been helpful to provide a general introduction, but a "Brain Development" search directs the reader to this page, which is really quite technical. I will try to add some material to make the page more accessible for the general reader. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Anirvan0419 (talk • contribs) 12:12, 5 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Synapse Elimination

Needs references. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.80.123.40 (talk) 22:28, 11 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Timeline

Can anyone help with a timeline for completion of synaptic development in humans?

LookingGlass (talk) 09:39, 9 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

"Evolution of Brain Development" Section.

This section has a lot of issues, but I don't know enough about the subject to fix them:

No citations in the entire section
Shows bias: "These basic emotions were not developed enough for these species to love and care for their offspring properly."
Unsubstantiated: "These underdeveloped emotions might have led the parents to kill their own offspring if a predator that they couldn’t protect themselves from did not already kill them"
Shows bias: "the first mammals were created"
Shows bias: "emotional ability allowed for mammals to not only care for their offspring but also to live with their partner and/or herd"
Shows bias and unsubstantiated: "last big phase of brain development."

Is this section really appropriate here at all? Perhaps instead a link to http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Brain_evolution, which happens to state that the model of evolution discussed here is discredited. --71.233.229.228 (talk) 22:52, 26 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Gah. I've removed that section. It isn't really about neural development at all, it's a poorly written summary of MacLean's triune brain theory. Looie496 (talk) 04:32, 27 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 19 September 2015

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The result of the move request was: no consensus. Proposed title created as a redirect. Jenks24 (talk) 08:07, 13 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Neural development → Development of the nervous system – A move to a title that describes the scope of this article, using language readers can understand. Removes the ambiguity of "Neural" (neurons? nervous system?). Is consistent with other "Development of..." articles. Tom (LT) (talk) 07:19, 19 September 2015 (UTC) Relisted. Jenks24 (talk) 15:50, 27 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Disagree. There is no need to dumb down things like that Dan6233 (talk) 04:55, 20 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Page name

Why the need for two separate pages for this topic? This page covers a lot of human relevant material. Other content could go into an Other animals section. --Iztwoz (talk) 09:04, 16 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed merge with Development of the nervous system in humans

WITHDRAWN

I've decided to withdraw proposal. Thanks to everyone for their input--Iztwoz (talk) 14:00, 1 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Unnecessary split - much of the info is already covered on target page and leaves proposed merge page as a poor entry Iztwoz (talk) 17:08, 29 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Don't merge – The two should remain split, but both pages desperately need a significant overhaul in order to differentiate themselves. For example, this (non-human-specific) page includes a chart of human brain development–why? There is a wealth of developmental neuroscience done in worms, flies, chicks, rodents, etc that this page could showcase. Aeffenberger (talk) 05:46, 21 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per Aeffenberger. The pages are very confusing as is. Because it's such a broad topic and there is quite a bit of content on humans + other animals I worry if they are remerged it will be quite hard to follow and/or edit and / or preserve, as editors will be inserting information about animals / mammals that will be mixed up with humans. I think there will be quite a bit of cross-over but am not convinced a merged article would be easier to read nor easier to edit. --Tom (LT) (talk) 05:47, 4 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Iztwoz: I was about to say yes, but I propose an alternative. This article makes no mention of the nervous system of arthropods, molluscs, fish or reptiles; it's almost entirely mammal or human. I propose that this article be massively condensed down into almost a disambiguation page with short descriptions of the development of each, and links leading to individual articles with the full description. In effect, that would be a majority merge, because most of this article's content would get put into Development of the nervous system in humans where possible. SUM1 (talk) 22:26, 5 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose merge on the grounds that the development of the human nervous system is independently notable of that of other nervous systems. I agree that it's worth re-organizing the material, though, much as Iztwoz suggests, but I wonder whether me might keep a little more content on the Development of the nervous system article, as most of the features described there are share by mammals, and many by vertebrates. It might also help to change the scope of the current article, perhaps moving it to Development of the vertebrate nervous system, given that invertebrates are essentially not discussed (other than an un-referenced fruit-fly aside). Klbrain (talk) 14:13, 27 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

What about a change of name of Development of the nervous system to Development of the nervous system in non-human animals. which ought to rm the need of inclusion of human nervous system details and give home to the invertebrate worm, fly and chick models etc--Iztwoz (talk) 14:32, 27 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Withdraw I would like to withdraw this merge proposal and shall put a name change proposal as above, instead. --Iztwoz (talk) 15:05, 30 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Proposed merge with Neurophilic

Neurophilic is a stub. If expanded, it would cover the same ground as axophilic migration. It would make most sense to define chain, neurophilic/axophilic, and gliophilic migration (as well as radial and tangential migration) in the same place. Aeffenberger (talk) 05:36, 21 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Done little more than a redirect. Gliophilic would need looking at for inclusion.--Iztwoz (talk) 07:46, 16 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 30 April 2020

WITHDRAWN

I've decided to withdraw request. Thanks to everyone for their input.--Iztwoz (talk) 14:07, 1 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Development of the nervous system → Development of the nervous system in non-human animals – The majority of the page is a duplication of the page Development of the nervous system in humans. A change of name will give the focus to other animals and rm the inclusion of most of the human specific material. There are other pages such as Mouth and Nose which have human specific pages without including very much at all about humans. Iztwoz (talk) 15:28, 30 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The duplication is largely the nominator's, from a series of copy/pastes from Development of the nervous system and (moreso) Development of the human brain to Development of the nervous system in humans, e.g. nearly 3k here on 17 December 2019 and nearly 8k here on 16 December 2019.
Oppose. The article as it stands can cover the more-general aspects of the development of nervous systems, and the "human" one the more-specific. I don't see that it's an "either/or": I'm no expert but it would seem to me a dog has a more similar nervous system to a human than, perhaps, a bee or a cuttlefish, as is argued above in the recently proposed merge. 94.21.253.28 (talk) 04:43, 1 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Withdraw have had a more detailed look at page histories and feel they are more differentiated now. And present page still has potential for additional material.--Iztwoz (talk) 07:42, 1 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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