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The Democratic Coalition ideological problems

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So I would like to say that most of the ideology that I see about the party is real, but left-wing populism, and indeed populism itself, is not at all characteristic of the Democratic Coalition. I looked at the source that led you to believe that, and well, as you say, it didn't seem credible. But I looked at the party's president, Ferenc Gyurcsány, in his annual assessment on 5 February, and he said that populism is the Democratic Coalition's greatest enemy. I don't know why that article was credible, but I think that we should not define a party by the opinion of articles, but look at the party's own opinion. Because ok Fidesz is populist, but they don't deny this info. Nor do they deny that Mi Hazánk is, because that is what these parties really represent. And the ideology itself is absolutely not typical of the Democratic Coalition's politics. I have not heard them criticise American capitalism, I have only heard them criticise the Orbán regime. So that is what I would like to start a debate on. Thank you in advance for your response. HuefaDK (talk) 09:07, 13 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Opposition. Cases of populists who deny themselves being populists are very common. Populist status is not defined by the party itself. That should be done entirely by external assessment. Mureungdowon (talk) 10:19, 13 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, I get that, but why are there no ideologies that characterise the party, such as feminism, green politics, the third way or perhaps social democracy? Because okay. Let's call it populist, but then why doesn't the party qualify as one of the four ideologies, which I think you can see from the outside. Because I have seen from the outside opinions that justify these ideologies and you should look at their actions. Because it is fine to need outside observation, but that does not answer why the Democratic Coalition is populist. What is the reason and what is the reason why it does not represent the others? And if this is how the Democratic Coalition is seen from the outside, then the Hungarian Socialist Party must now be classified as a neoliberal technocratic party because of the measures taken by the Horn government in 1994-1998. And then Fidesz would have to represent an authoritarian ideology, since the European Union itself has recognised that Hungary is an electoral autocracy. So why exactly is it that only the Democratic Coalition is seen in this way by the outside world? HuefaDK (talk) 10:36, 13 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Do we really have to call them that way? The party was founded by Gyurcsány who was a notorious Third Wayer and we call MSZP just centre-left Braganza (talk) 08:31, 5 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Isn't DK more culturally progressive than MSZP? Of course, DK would be more moderate economically than MSZP, but so DK's ideology has been described as 'Social liberalism', not 'Social democracy', so there is no need to remove "left-wing" from its political position. Just as conservative-liberal parties are sometimes considered more right-wing than liberal-conservative parties, social-liberal parties can be considered more left-wing than social-democratic parties. Mureungdowon (talk) 08:49, 5 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
i highly doubt that MSZP is socially conservative/more conservative than DK, MSZP has a far better relationship to Párbeszéd. DK is just Gyurcsány personal vehicle Braganza (talk) 09:00, 5 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I neither support nor oppose you changing the political position of infobox. You can edit the change political position you want in this article. Mureungdowon (talk) 09:13, 5 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I would leave just “centre-left” in the Infobox, and any other descriptions in the article body. DK is by all accounts a very moderate, centrist-leaning party. Most of the references for “left wing” are journalistic in nature and therefore by design not exactly watertight in terms of technical accuracy from an academic point of view…-- Autospark (talk) 09:45, 5 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
All things considered, I would also have just "centre-left" in the infobox. --Checco (talk) 13:14, 5 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Academic sources describing the party as left-wing:
– Zsovar3 (talk) 04:15, 25 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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