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be independent from Ukraine, should voters approve joining Russia in a referendum

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-I interpreted from the Ria Novosti article, that Crimea would not return to Ukraine, no matter the result of the referendum Juliussasar (talk) 17:09, 11 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Well, given that option 2 of the referendum implicitly states Crimea to be a part of Ukraine... Óðinn (talk) 17:30, 11 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
According to this, the declaration of independence is separate from the referendum and is irreversible ("Crimea will never rejoin Ukraine.") Kiralexis (talk) 17:36, 11 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
That's Konstantinov's personal opinion. The actual declaration contains nothing of the sort. Óðinn (talk) 17:51, 11 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, but does it tie the declaration's effectiveness to the referendum, as the previous text of this entry claimed? Kiralexis (talk) 17:53, 11 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, the Crimean Republic, as an independent and sovereign state, will be proclaimed if the option 1 wins. Óðinn (talk) 18:02, 11 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Weird, if option 1 wins Crimea will join Russia. So it will become a Republic as a Russian federal subject. Much like Tatarstan. And Tatarstan is not a independent and sovereign state.--Wester (talk) 18:15, 11 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I thought so too, but that's what the text of the declaration says; I assume the purpose is to have the Republic of Crimea as an independent transitional entity until it's accepted as an Autonomous Republic in the Federation - kind of like how the Republic of South Vietnam existed as a transitional client entity until 1976. Kiralexis (talk) 18:33, 11 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
There is a law in Russia, regulating the process of admitting the new subjects into the federation. Crimea, as a part of Ukraine, can't be admitted, unless Ukraine approves. Crimea, as a sovereign and independent state, can. Of course, upon admission, its independence and sovereignty will be relinquished. Óðinn (talk) 18:37, 11 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
And yet editors are frantically adding Crimea to numerous articles such as [1] even though they haven't even declared independence yet. TDL (talk) 20:17, 12 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

independence was self-proclaimed not part of referendum

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if you'll look at the actual referendum voting ballot:

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:2014_Crimean_referendum_ballot.png the options are:

1) join Russia.

2) go back to Ukrain.

the point of independence was to actually be able to hold the referendum and decide which country to be a part of later on referendum (because independence gives them the right to decide for themselves without asking Ukraine or anyone).

10:38, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

Verbatim copy of document's text

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From [2]:

Declaration of Independence of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea and Sevastopol:

We, members of the Supreme Council of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea and Sevastopol City Council, based on the provisions of the Charter of the United Nations and many other international instruments recognizing the right of peoples to self-determination, as well as taking into account the support from the international Court of Justice on Kosovo from July 22, 2010 the fact that the unilateral declaration of independence part of the state does not violate any rules of international law and decide together:

1. If as a result of the upcoming March 16, 2014 of direct expression of the peoples of the Crimea will be decided on joining the Crimea, including the Autonomous Republic of Crimea and the city of Sevastopol, Russia in the Crimea after the referendum will be declared an independent and sovereign state with a republican form of government.

2. Republic of Crimea is a democratic, secular and multi-ethnic state, which is obliged to keep the peace, inter-ethnic and inter-confessional accord in its territory.

3. Republic of Crimea as an independent and sovereign state in the case of the relevant results of the referendum will appeal to the Russian Federation with a proposal for the adoption of the ARC based on the relevant international agreement of the Russian Federation as a new subject of the Russian Federation.

Declaration approved by the Supreme Council of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea at the extraordinary plenary session of March 11, 2014 (signed by the Chairman of the Supreme Council of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea Vladimir Konstantinov) and Decision of the Sevastopol City Council at an extraordinary plenary session of March 11, 2014 (signed by the Chairman of the Sevastopol city council Yu Doynikova ).

HTH,

—Ahnoneemoos (talk) 15:18, 12 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Turkey and Crimean independence

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There's been some chatter (e.g: [3], [4],[5]. All sources except the first in English - I used Google Translate for that one) that supposedly, according to a 1783 treaty between Russia (under Catherine the Great) and Turkey, Crimea would automatically return to Turkish sovereignty if it became independent. I can't really find substantiation of this claim - the cited one is the Treaty of Küçük Kaynarca, supposedly signed in 1783 (actually signed in 1774 - this appears to have only secured Crimean independence under Russian influence, with the actual annexation in 1783. The Ottoman Empire didn't recognize it until 1794 at the Treaty of Jassy (Iasi) after another war.)

Can anyone more knowledgeable comment on this? If there's substance to this claim, I'd like to include a mention in the article. 66.180.182.9 (talk) 00:38, 19 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

After some more digging, it turns out that the 1921 Treaty of Moscow declared all previous Russian-Turkish treaties null and void. So, this is utterly groundless. But still a fun idea. 66.180.182.9 (talk) 00:55, 19 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

twitter - bits from strelkov on TV

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'Igor Strelkov dismisses the suggestion the Crimean parliament's vote for independence was in anyway legitimate. 'strelkov dismisses the suggestion the Crimean parliaments vote for independence was in any way legitimate Гиркин: "Мы насильно сгоняли депутатов Крыма голосовать за отделение от Украины" - google translate has that as - 'we forcibly herded Crimean deputies to vote for secession from Ukraine' Sayerslle (talk) 01:58, 25 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Rename

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I think the article should be renamed. There are 2 proposals: 1) Declaration of Independence of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea and Sevastopol ; 2) Crimean Declaration of Independence. What about other variants? The reason is that it is the correct and appropriate title of the document. The unrecognized Republic of Crimea was created as a result of the Declaration. --Wellring (talk) 18:28, 23 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

by the way, Sevastopol is considered to be a separate subject in Russian Federation, not a part of "the Republic of Crimea" --Wellring (talk) 18:59, 23 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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