Talk:Davolls General Store

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: rejected by BorgQueen (talk) 15:33, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

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Davolls General Store

• ... that Davolls General Store (pictured), operating since 1793, is the oldest continually operating general store in Massachusetts? Source: https://www.onlyinyourstate.com/massachusetts/oldest-store-ma/
  • ALT1: ... that Davolls General Store (pictured), operating since 1793, is one of the oldest continually operating stores in the United States? Source: https://turnto10.com/news/local/a-look-inside-one-of-americas-oldest-general-stores-reopens-in-dartmouth https://www.bostonglobe.com/2021/08/22/business/general-store-all-about-details/
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Created by AdmiralAckbar1977 (talk). Self-nominated at 22:53, 6 March 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Davolls General Store; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

• The page is well written, is correctly sourced and has no neutrality or copyvio issues. The hook is supported by the source provided. Toadboy123 (talk) 09:01, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

@AdmiralAckbar1977 and Toadboy123: A few thoughts. The article suffers badly from WP:OVERCITE. We should aloo try to avoid citations in the lead per MOS:LEADCITE. The lead is three sentences but it has eleven citations. the claims of oldest are cited to local sources. I did have a look at the Boston Globe article and they make no such claims about "oldest". A hook will work with the years in operation which I believe is 230, or the year of establishment 1793. I think we might consider a new hook because the "oldest" is cited to Edible Southeastern Massachusetts and Only in Your State. Bruxton (talk) 14:41, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Bruxton:, would you be more comfortable with something like "Did you know Davolls General Store has been in continuous operation since 1793? Or, instead of since 1793, for the last 230 years? AdmiralAckbar1977 (talk) 15:45, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

@AdmiralAckbar1977, I would suggest that you go for this hook, as it clarifies the point made by @Bruxton. Toadboy123 (talk) 01:20, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

• ALT2:... that Davolls General Store (pictured) has been in continuous operation since 1793?

Here is the ALT you have proposed, I have only formatted. It is accurate and supported and I hope others think it is interesting. Bruxton (talk) 01:26, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

@AdmiralAckbar1977, Toadboy123, and Bruxton: I have demoted this hook from Prep, because a section of this article has now been tagged for using a list where it should use prose. I could be convinced that the "Ownership" section should remain as is, as long as a bit more prose is incorporated in the "History" section. At the moment, the History section is very dense, and there is room to expand it in a more reader-friendly way that is easier to follow. (Quite frankly I'm a bit surprised that this article was already submitted for GA as is; it actually doesn't feel "complete" yet.) BTW, you may want to check out what WP:MOS says about hyphens vs. dashes; I see some hyphens used inappropriately. Cielquiparle (talk) 08:48, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Issue with tag inside of article still needs to be resolved. Cielquiparle (talk) 11:06, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

without movement in nearly a month, it's probably time for this nomination to be closed up. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 16:02, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

Maintenance tag

Hi @Nikkimaria, I see you added a maintenance tag to this article here. I don't really understand why, in my opinion a block of prose would make it hard to see the different owners over the stores history. While a list breaks it up easily. For now I'm going to follow @Cielquiparle's advice in the DYK section above. But I would love your reasoning to why that section in particular needs to be changed. AdmiralAckbar1977 ^{talk contribs} 15:05, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

If the ownership was significant to the history of the store, it should be incorporated into the prose of the History section and explained, as is done for some already, eg Arruda/Chouinard. If the ownership is not significant to the history of the store, then it would not seem to provide encyclopedic value and would be better left out. Nikkimaria (talk) 15:12, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

GA Review

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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This review is transcluded from Talk:Davolls General Store/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Z1720 (talk · contribs) 22:25, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

Unfortunately, I have decided to give this GAN a quick fail, mostly because lots of information that I would expect in a GAN are missing from this article. This includes: what the building was used as before its purchase in 1780, information on the architecture of the building (the facade, the inside, the grounds), its location (what municipality is it located in, and what part of that municipality, like downtown or neighbourhood name?) and its influence/legacy. I agree with the yellow banner above "Ownership history" and I think this information should be incorporated into the History section instead of having its own section. Try searching WP:LIBRARY, Google Scholar, Google News, or your local library system for more sources and information to include in this article. Some additional comments below:

• ""DAVOLL'S GENERAL STORE". DAVOLL'S GENERAL STORE. Retrieved 2023-03-02." per MOS:ALLCAPS, this should be in sentence case.
• ""About". DAVOLL'S GENERAL STORE. Retrieved 2023-03-02." Same as above.
• When more information is added to the article, try expanding the lede to include more information.
• "The store passed hands several time over the course of the 1800's. But primarily stayed in the hands of the Howlands, Tuckers, and Slocums." This should be one sentence.

If you need more help, I encourage you to use WP:PR and WP:GOCE to help improve the article, or ask for help on the talk pages of the Wikiprojects attached to this article (which you can find on the talk page). Feel free to also ping me/message me if you have any questions. Z1720 (talk) 22:25, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.