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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Do Not Support, keep as isOppose. There is no need to change this unless the objective is to make the footballer of the same name WP:PRIMARYTOPIC (for which I seen no justification). -- Cl3phact0 (talk) 07:36, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per WP:TWODABS. No value in sending all “Davis Allen” searchers to a two-entry dab page. A single hat note link here serves the footballer seekers just as well, while the designer seekers are clearly better off. —В²C☎03:58, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If the football player (who is now only 23 years old) becomes very well known over the arc of his lifetime (for football or other reasons), then maybe in future, we ought to make him the primary subject. For now, this seems fine the way we have it. -- Cl3phact0 (talk) 08:02, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not really, he's already dominating page views now. It's clear that most readers are not looking for the designer when searching the name. At this point, his cumulative page views are higher than the designers. Ortizesp (talk) 17:51, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: This seems very much like a case where the designer is primary [...] with respect to long-term significance [as he] has substantially greater enduring notability and educational value (please see WP:PT2). My opposition is strengthened based on this definition. -- Cl3phact0 (talk) 17:35, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's one of the parameters for PRIMARY, but the other tests such as pageviews Wikipedia article traffic statistics (for the exact title of a page or a redirect) and redirect traffic statistics (for the total views of a page including traffic coming from its redirects) gives the American football player the edge. The designer is not so overwhelmingly PRIMARY in long-term significance that it can overcome having 10-50x less page views than the football player since his page was created. There's very clearly no PRIMARYTOPIC, so TWODABS applies. Ortizesp (talk) 17:50, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Unconvinced by these arguments. It just seems unlikely that readers will confuse Davis Allen with Allen Davis (or any alternative spellings). This looks like loads of administrative overhead for a relatively unknow 23 year old American football player (who, apart from being a football player, has no particular notable achievements in his biography). --— Preceding unsigned comment added by Cl3phact0 (talk • contribs) 19:51, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't understand this argument, why would users confuse Davis Allen and Allen Davis, and what does this have to do with this page move. Ortizesp (talk) 12:55, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In any two dab situation there are two topics a and b vying for title T. Regardless of whether either is primary, we have three choices.
a at T, b at T (b)
a at T (a), b at T
a at T (a), b at T (b), and a two entry dab page at T.
I contend either 1 or 2 is preferable to 3 regardless of which is primary or if there even is a primary topic. Prove me wrong: how does anyone benefit from 3 over 1 or 2? It’s “loads of administrative overhead” to what end? To make one article harder (more clicks) to find? Why??? Nothing is broken here. Leave it alone. A dab page is something we should be striving to avoid, and leaving one article at the base name with a hatnote link to the other provides all the useful functionality of a pointless dab page. —-В²C☎19:38, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
