Talk:Dédée Bazile

Dédée Bazile is currently a World history good article nominee. Nominated by Averageuntitleduser (talk) at 21:50, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

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GA Review

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Nominator: Averageuntitleduser (talk · contribs) 21:50, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: Borsoka (talk · contribs) 04:17, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

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A. The prose is clear and concise, and the spelling and grammar are correct:

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B. Reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose):

C. It contains no original research:

D. It contains no copyright violations nor plagiarism:
Is it broad in its coverage?
A. It addresses the main aspects of the topic:

B. It stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style):
Is it neutral?
It represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each:
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It does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute:
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Overall:
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Image review

Could you add at least two pictures to the article?
- Only managed to add a portrait of Dessalines. Had no luck tracking down a cemetery or finding a photo from the plays. I looked through the Digital Library of the Caribbean too, but nothing stuck out. Averageuntitleduser (talk) 23:21, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Source review

Academic sources of high standard are cited. Borsoka (talk) 04:23, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

...near Cap-Français.. Clarify that it is in the French colony in the island of Haiti and link Saint-Domingue.
- Done. Averageuntitleduser (talk) 23:21, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Do we know some more details of her place of birth? (A plantation/manor house...?)
- Regrettably, I haven't found these details in the sources. Averageuntitleduser (talk) 23:21, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
...enslaved parents Link "enslaved" to Slavery in Haiti.
- Done. Averageuntitleduser (talk) 23:21, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
In turn,... Delete.
- Done. Averageuntitleduser (talk) 23:21, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Why are not the sons named?
- Not sure their names were ever documented. I haven't found them in modern sources, at least. Averageuntitleduser (talk) 23:21, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Bazile either escaped or her enslaver abandoned her for another woman. I am not sure I understand the relevance of the sentence.
- Removed. Averageuntitleduser (talk) 23:21, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
What does "Défilez, défilez!" mean?
- Translated. Averageuntitleduser (talk) 23:21, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Multiple historical accounts... One or two examples?
- I see this as a topic sentence. The rest of the paragraph, or at least the next one, gives examples. Averageuntitleduser (talk) 23:21, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
..., possibly lwa spirits... Attribute this PoV to a scholar.
- Done. Averageuntitleduser (talk) 23:21, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
..., which contributed to her reputation as a madwoman Delete.
- Done. Averageuntitleduser (talk) 23:21, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The storyteller Joseph Jérémie... A link to "storyteller"? An adjective: "contemporary/early-19th-century/late-19th-century/20th-century/..."? Was he Haitian?
- Added some details. Averageuntitleduser (talk) 23:21, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Historical accounts attribute her madness to various causes. I would move this sentence before the previous sentence about the storyteller.
- I see this more as a description of the madness than a cause, so I've left it for now. Averageuntitleduser (talk) 23:21, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
...the descendant Didi Coudol... Whose?
- Clarified. Averageuntitleduser (talk) 23:21, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I think the adjective "violatory" should be changed for a better known term.
- Done. Averageuntitleduser (talk) 23:21, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
...offer sex to the soldiers... The French soldiers? Previously this sign of her "madness" was not mentioned.
- Clarified and moved this bit earlier. Averageuntitleduser (talk) 23:21, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I think the chronology of the first section is unclear. When did the massacre of people by French soldiers happen: before or during the revolution?
- I added that Rochambeau was deployed onto Haiti in 1802 to make this clearer. And after moving Pascal-Trouillot's description of the madness, I think the section has settled into a nice structure: Défilée's early life and role as a sutler, descriptions of her madness, and causes of her madness. Do let me know if you have other suggestions. Averageuntitleduser (talk) 23:21, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I think the article needs a thorough and comprehensive copy edit. I suggest you should seek assistance at the Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors. I suspend the review until the copyedit is completed. Please ping me when I can continue it. Borsoka (talk) 02:01, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for taking this on! I aim to complete comments by the weekend. Averageuntitleduser (talk) 04:57, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Borsoka: Sorry for taking so long here. I should not be as busy going forward. I've replied to your comments and listed the article at GoCE. Thanks again! Averageuntitleduser (talk) 23:21, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]