Talk:Crocodile (Black Mirror)

Is it *set* in Iceland?

I know it’s filmed in Iceland, but is it definitely set in Iceland? Is there a definitive setting, or is it intentionally not specified? EuroAgurbash (talk) 14:44, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

It's not stated in episode, but there's statements from the producers, like this one that say the episode is set (and also filmed) there. --Masem (t) 14:49, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

Yes, I think it's safe to say in the Plot that it's set in Iceland. As the article's Production section says, it was originally intended to be Scottish but the eventual setting chosen was Iceland. — Bilorv_(talk)^(c)(e) 15:40, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

Since Iceland was not mentioned in the episode, i believe a more accurate way to phrase it is "The episode was shot in Iceland and tells the story of Mia (Andrea Riseborough) as she tries to cover up a death in a hit-and-run, that she and her friend Rob (Andrew Gower) commited fifteen years ago." You might even want to think about saying "shot in the snowy landscapes of Iceland". -- Radiphus 15:57, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

Mia's gender is not mentioned in the episode either but no-one disputes using the pronouns "she" for Mia. Self-evident facts about the episode, whether stated explicitly in dialogue or not, can be included in the plot description; if this is contentious, we can add inline citations for the mention of Iceland. — Bilorv_(talk)^(c)(e) 16:15, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

It is a fair question. I know the use of that concern hall that has a very unique design establishes where that was filmed and the show presents it (without text) as fulfilling its function as a conference center. Add the icey landscapes and other clear Nordic influences of the architecture and its hard to say where else that could be set (can't be Alaska or Siberia for example). Contrast that to Arkangel, which while filmed in Toronto has zero clear signs of its location, and it could have easily been set in any mid-city suburbia. I think it is fair in the lede to say, "Filmed in Iceland", as many reviewers have commented on the stark setting here making it an establishing element, but since the setting has little direct impact on the concise plot and we dont mention Iceland in the summary, we should probably err on the lede, unless we get a stronger statement from production otherwise. --Masem (t) 16:23, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

Ah sorry – my stance is that we should mention it in the Plot section (probably just briefly in the first sentence). As you say it is significant to the style of the episode (ideally someone who's never seen the episode should have a good understanding of it from the plot summary alone – knowing it is set in Iceland is key to picturing it properly). For the lead, saying it was filmed in Iceland would be fair enough. — Bilorv_(talk)^(c)(e) 16:38, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

Though i understand mentioning Iceland in the lead, since the filming location is mentioned in the production section, i disagree that it should also be mentioned in the plot section, withought it being part of the storyline. Is there something linking the episode to Iceland, like for example the mention of the real-life name of a hotel, a road or something else in the country? If not, to help readers picture the setting, we could use phrases like "mountainous region", "snowy landscape", etc. -- Radiphus 17:03, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

I've removed "set in Iceland"; it's absurd. At one point it's mentioned that the accident took place in "the Stanhope Road", which is blatantly not Icelandic. Wherever it was set, it was clearly intended to be an English-speaking country. —Mahāgaja (formerly Angr) · talk 21:50, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

Also everybody speaks with a Scottish accent, which would be a weird detail to include so thoroughly if it's meant to be taking place in Iceland. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.113.192.36 (talk) 18:15, 14 February 2018 (UTC)

Trivia Section?

If there is ever a trivia section of the page, it could be noted that one of the channels under the porn options she scrolls past is "WraithBabes" which is the name of a porn channel featured heavily in another episode (season 1, episode 2) where a singer reluctantly becomes one such star.. Thehomeland (talk) 01:24, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

Hi Thehomeland! Wikipedia doesn't include trivia sections because our purpose is just to report what reliable sources have said about the episode. However, sometimes reliable sources do mention Easter eggs. For instance, in our article on "USS Callister", the last paragraph of the Analysis section is about Easter eggs which reliable sources have discussed. — Bilorv (he/him) _(talk) 09:19, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

Hi Bilorv The reference is to another episode of the same series of itself, which is the most reliable source possible.. I'm not asking if wiki itself provides such a section by nature, but whether this specific entry would; it is a literal word-for-word match across the two episodes. The reference for the other episode containing it could perhaps be its own wikipedia entry, or perhaps by extension the source the other episode's entry uses to state it, or are the references necessary so specific that the source needs to contain exactly the discussion of the connection, rather than having mentioned the literal word connection in passing? Thehomeland (talk) 16:42, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

It's original research to make a connection that is not made explicitly in a source, so in this case we'd need a secondary source to say that this episode is referencing Fifteen Million Merits. I should have said "secondary source" in my above message because we also have policies about due weight, which means that we don't generally have sections about material which isn't discussed in a secondary source. Exceptions do apply but per WP:TRIVIA, trivia sections are not a good way to organise information anyway. — Bilorv (he/him) _(talk) 16:57, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Crocodile (Black Mirror)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: The Rambling Man (talk · contribs) 07:34, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

Comments

• Anthony Welsh has an article now.
• "Set in Scotland" really? They're driving on the wrong side of the road for that!
  • I actually got this wrong, not sure where the misremembering/miscommunication was. The first draft was set in Scotland but I think it's supposed to be Iceland in the actual thing. I am confused though: Sawar's accent is Scottish and I thought Riseborough's was supposed to be too, and they're speaking in English, not Icelandic. — Bilorv (talk) 00:11, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
• "a Nordic noir" isn't that really an adjective rather than a noun?
  • So just "The episode is Nordic noir" then? I think it is an adjective, yeah. — Bilorv (talk) 00:11, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
• "she never moved on" I'm not keen on this, do you mean she didn't get over it, never recovered from the loss etc? Ah, she still thinks he's alive...
  • I would be more specific but I don't think there's actually enough to say. She never moved on from her physical location and in some emotional sense, but she could think anything between "he's probably dead but I can't accept that" and "I know he's still out there and will come back one day". — Bilorv (talk) 00:11, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
• "He wants to write" it's stronger than that, hence the argument, he states clearly that he is going to write a letter...
• "she chokes Rob to death" it sounds like she breaks his neck actually.
  • Hmm, something does snap or break, yeah. I've made this change. — Bilorv (talk) 00:11, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
• "who points her to " directs her to?
• "a beer" a bottle of beer? Or just "beer"? "a beer" seems a little odd.
• Probably hard/impossible to avoid, but Mia is used five times in that penultimate plot paragraph.
  • Down to three, hopefully clearer too. — Bilorv (talk) 00:11, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
• "having removed her mask" we didn't know she was wearing one...
• "outbid .. with a bid" bit repetitive.
• "12-episode order was divided into two series of six episodes" twelve/six or 12/6.
• "in the final episode" ?
  • As in, "the finished product". Now "who was later renamed Shazia and played by Kiran Sonia Sawar". — Bilorv (talk) 00:11, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
• "the arcade machine for Space Invaders in mind" hmm, like the symbol that's prevalent in Bandersnatch, the kind of space invader/fork graphic...
  • It reminds me more of the monitor Stefan uses than Space Invaders or anything else in Bandersnatch, but to each their own. — Bilorv (talk) 00:11, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
• "injured half of her ribcage" half? seems like an odd thing to say. Just injured her ribs would probably suffice.
• "is an instance of Nordic noir" again, is it an instance of a Nordic noir drama rather than "instance of Nordic noir".
• "the Recaller. Koebler suggests that" merge to avoid repeat of Koebler. Also two rapid uses of "suggest" here.

That's it, not much to do here, so on hold for now. Mia: what a deeply unpleasant character. Reminds me of some users ...!! The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 16:47, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

All fixed, I think, including a self-trout on the Scotland mistake. I'd like to think that any of our Mia-like users wouldn't forget the guinea pig. — Bilorv (talk) 00:11, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

All is well here, passing. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 07:14, 19 March 2021 (UTC)