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Victory Calypso

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Regarding Victory Calypso - my copy is titled "VICTORY TEST MATCH—CALYPSO England v. West Indies, Lords 1950", not "Victory Calypso". It's definitely an original - my father bought it at the time.

Further information: the composer credit is Egbert Moore, and the band credit is "Lord Beginner acc. by Calypso Rhythm Kings. Supervision—Denis Preston". It's on the Melodisc label, cat. no. 1133, and the matrix number is MEL 20.

The flip side is "SERGEANT BROWN—CALINDA (Lè Rèzon Mé) Calypso Rhythm Kings. Vocal, Lord Beginner and Ensemble. Supervision—Denis Preston (MEL 23)". --Redrose64 (talk) 21:55, 3 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Cleanup tag

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90 percent of the article consists several poems glorifying the sport. I don't feel that it should stay in that form, irrespective of whether they violate copyright or not (actually I think that at least one poem might violate copyright). I don't know the damnedest about the sport or poetry, but I feel that there could be a lot more development of the subject matter in the article. As it stands, it's a directory, and there would be no meaningful content if the poetry was removed.

I would expect to actually see some sort of time line of the leading poets, their works and the context. I would also expect a lot more critical commentary as to its significance, its evolution, some analysis of the poetry itself, and only enough of the poetry itself for the purposes of analysing it. -- Ohconfucius ping / poke 02:33, 14 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that the article could do with a major rewrite. It seems largely to have developed by people adding the text of their own favourite poems, however ephemeral they might be, without any analysis. JH (talk page) 09:33, 14 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]


Roy Harper poem

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"..of knickers and ass," Is 'ass' correct? In UK English 'arse' is the correct spelling, further, it scans with 'grass'. Archolman User talk:Archolman 16:58, 6 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

If you listen to the piece, Harper clearly says "ass" (0:33) to rhyme with "grass" (0:26). Remember he has a Northern accent, so the a is short and is pronounced as is the a in "at" as opposed to "art". I hope that helps. Stephenjh (talk) 17:26, 6 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Ins and Outs of Cricket (on the Tea Towels given to foreigners)

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I'd like to add the following text to the article, but wanted to clear it with an editor of the page first: 

This description of cricket plays with different meanings of the words "in" and "out". Below, the explanation of how the words are used is put in parentheses within the poem.

:You have two sides, one out in the field (in order to field i.e. be the fielding team) and one in (to bat i.e. be the batting team).
:Each man that’s in the side that’s in (to bat i.e. the batting team) goes out (into the field), and when he’s out (i.e. is dismissed) he comes in (i.e. into the dressing room/off the field), and the next man goes in (to bat) until he’s out (i.e. is dismissed).
:When they are all out (i.e. when enough batters on the batting team have been dismissed such that the batting team has completed their innings), the side that’s out (in the field i.e. that is the fielding team) comes in (to bat i.e. to become the batting team), and the side that’s been in (to bat i.e. that has been the batting team) goes out (into the field i.e. to become the fielding team) and tries to get those coming in (to bat i.e. the batters from the other team who are entering the field to bat) out (i.e. dismissed).
:Sometimes you get men still in (to bat) and not out (i.e. not dismissed).
:When a man goes out to go in, the men who are out try to get him out, and when he is out, he goes in and the next man in goes out and goes in.
:There are two men called umpires who stay all out (i.e. out in the field) all the time, and they decide when the men who are in (to bat) are out (i.e. dismissed).
:When both sides have been in (i.e. have batted) and all the men have been out (i.e. have fielded), and both sides have been out twice (i.e. enough of their batters have been dismissed to end their innings twice each) after all the men have been in (to bat), including the not outs (i.e. including the players who have not been dismissed, since only 10 of a team's 11 players need be dismissed to end the team's innings), that’s the end of the game.[1][2]

(Note: Some variations end with "the winner is declared... if there is one! (next line) Howzat!", referring to the prevalence of the draw result in cricket).
I'd argue that that was prose rather than poetry. JH (talk page) 08:52, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Would there be value in expanding the scope of this article to allow for prose, provided it's short (like this piece)? GreekApple123 (talk) 20:03, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I wouldn't be in favour of that. I think it's better for articles to be tightly focused. Also I'm not sure that, as an encyclopaedia, we should be including the complete text of poems (as we already do in some cases) rather than brief quotations of their most famous lines. We already have a cricket fiction article, but the tea towel piece isn't fiction either so wouldn't belong there. Also it arguably is too trivial to really merit inclusion anywhere. I'm sorry to be so discouraging. I'm just a run-of-the mill editor, and others may have different opinions. Thanks for asking rather than just adding it, as many would have done. JH (talk page) 08:38, 1 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ "Letter from the UK: The Game of Cricket Explained". Notebook. 2013-05-13. Retrieved 2020-08-31.
  2. ^ "What is cricket - the teatowel factor | ESPNcricinfo.com". Cricinfo. Retrieved 2020-08-31.
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