Talk:Cloud engineering

This article was nominated for deletion on 7 September 2011 (UTC). The result of the discussion was no consensus.

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Capitalization

It appears this article does not comply with Wikipedia's standard of only capitalizing the first word in the title except for proper names. Likewise other words are capitalized in the article apparently for stylistic purposes, e.g. "Cloud". Unless there is a good reason for this, I will fix it. Joja lozzo 18:23, 2 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Cloud Engineering category to be deleted

The Cloud Engineering category is likely to be deleted next week. The reason for this is that Cloud engineering is the only article categorized under it and for this project a category with one element is way too narrow. You can participate in the discussion about this here: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2011 January 10#Category:Cloud Engineering. Joja lozzo 00:26, 16 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

+1. Looking at this article it's a vast collection of buzzwords with not much detail. In particular, there's little to differentiate from the "Classic" problem of building and running large datacentre-scale applications (which now becomes the infrastructure to everyone else). What is interesting is -in infrastructures that focus on virtual machines- the problem of designing applications to live in this world, but I haven't seen anything good to cite there. SteveLoughran (talk) 21:35, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Why stop there? The article itself is problematic too. -- samj _in ^out 17:23, 23 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed deletion of Cloud engineering

The reasons listed for deletion are neologism, advertising, and attempt to create new "engineering" discipline.

I agree that cloud engineering is a neologism.

Wikipedia:Manual of Style (words to watch)#Neologisms and new compounds: "Where the use of a neologism is necessary to describe recent developments in a certain field, its meaning must be supported by reliable sources."

Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not a dictionary#Neologisms: "To support an article about a particular term or concept we must cite what reliable secondary sources, such as books and papers, say about the term or concept, not books and papers that use the term."

I cannot find reliable secondary sources that discuss the discipline but that doesn't mean they aren't there. The term appears to be an industry usage and not yet an academic one. Most of the references are for conference panels and sessions and the presenters are almost all from industry. To address this problem we'd need reliable secondary sources that discuss what cloud engineering is: an overview book or chapter, journal reviews of cloud engineering literature, and newspaper articles that do more than mention the term.

I do not agree that the article is advertising but at least one editor appears to have a conflict of interest that gives the article a promotional flavor and suggests a personal interest in Wikipedia's tacit validation of the discipline via the article. There is little a conflicted editor can do to address this. Those of us in a more neutral position could do some clean up and rewording. (I think the conference citations are not encyclopedic and need to go.)

I agree that there may be an attempt to enroll Wikipedia in efforts to create a new "engineering" discipline via the article. Like neologism problem, this issue could be repaired if we could show via secondary sources that the field is already established. Ideally I'd like to see college level textbooks and colleges and universities offering a concentration in cloud engineering.

At this point I would not dispute the proposed deletion. I could be swayed by good secondary sources but I think if they existed they'd have been produced already. Joja lozzo 20:33, 23 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

+1 for deletion. It's a software engineering/architecture issue, that's all. SteveLoughran (talk) 19:02, 25 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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