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Did Celegorn have blond hair?

Celegorm is fair? How could it be possible even though he hadn't vanyarin kin? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.68.127.11 (talk) 19:43, 11 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

His grandmother Miriel had silver hair. 173.54.184.225 (talk) 23:34, 13 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Spoiler Warning

Is it really necessary to have a spoiler warning? It ruins the lay-out of the page. Who would stumble upon this article and then rue their discoveries? He's an obscure character from Tolkien's greatest, yet still little known work. I'm going to remove it if no one objects. Pvazz 02:55, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I tend to agree that spoiler warnings are rather 'odd' in an Encyclopedia... if you don't want to know, don't look it up. However, the community consensus is overwhelmingly in favor of it. You might want to raise this issue at Template talk:Spoiler or Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Middle-earth, but I don't foresee the standard changing any time soon. --CBDunkerson 11:05, 11 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Celegorm 'The Cruel'

The description of Celegorm & discussion about his hair included this line : 'However, the fact that he was known as 'the Cruel', along with his servants leaving twin elflings (Eluréd and Elurín) to starve makes it doubtful that he had a strong sense of justice.' This seemed something of a jump from hair colour, and I was surprised by it, because I didn't remember a reference to Celegorm using that term.

Where is he referred to as 'the cruel' ? I just ran a search of the entire 12 volume History of Middle-earth: there's no mention there of 'Celegorm the Cruel'. I checked all references to the phrase 'the cruel' in The Silmarillion, it's not in there either. The only character described as 'The Cruel' is Gorthaur (Sauron).

A web search turns up only references that are clearly quoting this wikipedia article. 'The cruel servants of Celegorm' is a phrase that is used, but although clearly Celegorm did some pretty shady things, I don't think he's referred to by that epithet by Tolkien.

I removed that line, and I feel it should only be re-added if it can be sourced. The term 'elflings' doesn't appear in the Silmarillion either, and makes me wonder if this is something that may have come from fanfic rather than canon. 82.71.104.222 (talk) 08:40, 28 September 2017 (UTC) Victoria[reply]