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Anon comment

I removed this text from the article, but it may be something someone wants to follow up for the article: "Ciroc is distilled up to 96.5% abv before being watered down to 40% abv. This alone makes it a Vodka. It is commonly said that Ciroc is a white brandy or a Grappa/Marc, but this is impossible as Brandy or Grappa can't be distilled past 80% alcohol. Calling Ciroc a Grappa is almost the same thing as calling Finlandia a white single malt Whiskey." Notinasnaid 09:08, 20 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Vodka in the U.S.?

The article states that Ciroc isn't legally considered vodka in the U.S., but I have a bottle right here, purchased in the United States, and it is clearly labeled as "vodka." I don't know anything about what is considered vodka in this country, and how it should be labeled, but I am curious about the fact that it is labeled as such on the bottle. Tenpercenter —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.186.99.82 (talk) 22:25, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Technical Error

"Ciroc is distilled up to 96.5% abv"?? This is not possible. 95.6% is the highest purity achievable by distillation. To get higher requires adding some benzene, which would make it unfit for human consumption.98.101.136.218 (talk) 04:24, 31 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately, as of today, the article was citing a dead link to support this statement, and the attempt to archive the link captured only an age verification pop-up message, so we cannot see what the source said. The azeotrope article says that fractional distillation of an ethanol–water mixture can reach 97.2% alcohol by volume, but only 95.63% alcohol by mass. Bottles are labeled based on alcohol by volume rather than alcohol by mass, so 96.5% might be technically possible. In any case, none of the detailed information that included that number is found on the current brand website. Even if what it said was true at one time, it is probably no longer true, so I removed the information that I was unable to verify, including that number. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 04:02, 8 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 30 September 2021

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Moved to Cîroc. There's the reasonable concern that the current title is overprecise and limits the scope. The shorter name is available and is unambiguous. No such user (talk) 12:26, 7 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Cîroc Vodka → Cîroc – concise, unambiguous. 162 etc. (talk) 03:21, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This is a contested technical request (permalink). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 09:01, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@162 etc. and John Cline: queried move request Anthony Appleyard (talk) 09:02, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The page was moved to this title over a year ago and has been stable ever since. Also the title Cîroc would be ambiguous because not only do they market vodka, but they also have a VS Brandy.[1] This move should be discussed. --John Cline (talk) 04:11, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom.--Ortizesp (talk) 22:40, 30 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose: This page name reflects what we know about the brand of vodka. I wonder if the current disfavor of vodka in the US market is a pressure here. —¿philoserf? (talk) 14:31, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support, since the article covers flavored products that are not vodka: The brand marketing is rather misleading, but there are product labeling laws, at least in the United States, that require a certain amount of clarity about what is actually in the bottle. The article covers both the "Snap Frost" product, which (in my understanding) is actually vodka, and also the flavored products, which are not vodka. For example, if you look at the label on the Snap Frost variant, it says "Cîroc // Snap Frost // Vodka". But if you look at the label of the Peach variant, it says "Cîroc // Peach // Made with vodka // infused with natural // peach and other flavors". In other words, it says "Cîroc Peach", not "Cîroc Vodka" (or even "Cîroc Peach Vodka"). It says "Made with vodka", not simply "vodka" or "[various adjectives] vodka". It is not vodka; instead, it is a mixture of vodka and other ingredients. In the United States, a product that contains flavoring is not allowed to be called vodka (according to the U.S. Standards of Identity for Distilled Spirits). Also, in the United States, a product that is bottled at less than 80 U.S. proof cannot be called vodka, and the flavored products that are discussed in the article are bottled at 70 proof, so they are not vodka. See 27 CFR 5.22(a). The bottom line is that Cîroc is a brand name that is used on both vodka and non-vodka products, and this article includes at least some of the non-vodka products in its scope, so the article title should not say that it is about vodka. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 09:58, 7 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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