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GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Burnley F.C. in European football/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: The Rambling Man (talk · contribs) 18:41, 2 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

Lead looks unbalanced with a large first para and very brief second para, perhaps level that up a little.
- Expanded the second paragraph. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 17:31, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Notes which are complete sentences should take a full stop (e.g. [a]).
- Done. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 17:31, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
"who has made" reads odd, which has made?
- Done. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 17:31, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
" since 1960" explain why this is the threshold.
- Removed that part since it's mentioned in the following sentence. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 17:31, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Or merge it with the following sentence and say " which was the first season they qualified for a European competition" or some such.
- See above. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 17:31, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
"The club's following European..." which club?
- Clarified. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 17:31, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
"where it was" reads odd for me in Brit Eng, "they were" works better for me.
- Done. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 17:31, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
"other competitive European football" you mean "non-UEFA-sanctioned" or something?
- Yes, done. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 17:31, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
" final in 1974" hate those Easter egg links, you could pipe the whole thing, or even "the 1974 final".
- Done. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 17:31, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
" a transfer fee was paid for only two players — Jimmy McIlroy (1950) and Alex Elder (1959)." it's odd to say transfer fee then put the year (I assume) of their transfer in parentheses. I get it but I'm not sure a non-soccer reader would.
- Reworded/expanded. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 17:31, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
"Reims were the 1959–60 French Division 1 champions,[8] were" missing an "and".
- Done. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 17:31, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Plus too many run-ons, split this.
- Done. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 17:31, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
"featured the likes of Just Fontaine and Raymond Kopa" to a non-expert this is "MEH". Context?
- Reworded and gave a short explanation. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 17:31, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
" after he picked up the ball " non-experts screaming "isn't that what the boy did at Rugby School?"
- Haha, removed that part. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 17:31, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
"and qualified as such for " no need for "as such".
- Removed. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 17:31, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
"for a hectic first round return leg against Stade de Reims" sentence, needs full stop, plus "hectic" is POV, not Wikipedia voice.
- Removed. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 17:31, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
"Hamburg were in front again inside six minutes as Gert Dörfel and Seeler scored" perhaps "both" in front of Gert there.
- Done. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 17:31, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
"By the time Burnley ..." feels like one too many run-ons here.
- Reworded. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 17:31, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
"In 1971, the" that's a proper Easter egg.
- Removed the link as it's not really helpful. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 17:31, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
"José Altafini's penalty (Napoli) was..." sentence so full stop but the (Napoli) thing is confusing, was it simply "for Napoli"? If so, just say that.
- Done. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 17:31, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Leeds United lost it's A for A.F.C. a while back.
- Ah sloppy, amended now. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 17:31, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
"Burnley won the first leg 3–1 at Lausanne's ground after conceding first" no details on goal scorers here, seem anomalous.
- Added them. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 17:31, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
"They were drawn" -> "Burnley were.."
- Done. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 17:31, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
" be much more difficult. " for....?
- Expanded/explained. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 17:31, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Probably need to attribute that Italian press quote, I assume the source is quoting a quote?
- The source gives the full quote, but only implies that "... the Italian press whipped up Fairs Cup fever with sentiments like [quote]". WA8MTWAYC (talk) 17:31, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
"was spit in his" spat?
- Done. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 17:31, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
"later at home in" whose home?
- Clarified. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 17:31, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
"Manager Sean Dyche (2013..." image caption needs a full stop.
- Done. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 17:31, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
" In those years," during perhaps, rather than "in"? Or even "During that period"?
- Done. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 17:31, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
"to the fifth-tier" worth noting that's non-League?
- Added. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 17:31, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps just a little too much on Burnley's domestic performance, although I understand it gives the qualification for Europe some context.
- Reworded/Cut a bit in that part. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 17:31, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Cork is overlinked.
- Removed the overlink. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 17:31, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
"who died three" had died. And worth being clear this wasn't down to hooliganism.
- Done. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 17:31, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
"the team missed" which team?
- Clarified. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 17:31, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
"debut three minutes later.[39]" conclude with aggregate score and "they went out" etc.
- Added. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 17:31, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
"Most appearances in European competition" UEFA-sanctioned?
- Yes, added. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 17:31, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
"UEFA Europa League " is suddenly linked 3/4 of the way down this list.
- Removed the overlink. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 17:31, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Slight issue with some of the records being cited to a 2007 source when Burnley have been in Europe post-2007....
- The only "record" that was broken post-2007 was the lowest home attendance (and is sourced). The other records have remained intact. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 17:31, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think source 47 (to RSSSF) covers most of that para e.g. "as their public showed little interest in the competition", so work needed there.
- Added some other sources, reworded a large part of the paragraph. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 17:31, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Blank cells for single-legged games is not helpful at all for our readers.
- Added em-dashes. Is that better? WA8MTWAYC (talk) 17:31, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Also, can you clarify if the Newcastle final venue was designated neutral? Why was it played at the ground of one of the finalists?
- Couldn't find a reliable source or really an explanation, but I assume it was due to the fact Newcastle had also reached the FA Cup Final, which was contested a few days after the Texaco Cup final. Does the note need to be expanded? WA8MTWAYC (talk) 17:31, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The "gold" and "silver" cell(s) need a symbol and a key to indicate "won/lost the tournament in the final".
- Done. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 17:31, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Once again, check all notes for (a) references and (b) correct punctuation.
- Done and added refs. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 17:31, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Ref 26, spaced hyphen, should be en-dash.
- Done. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 17:31, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I'm pretty sure UEFA is a publisher, not a work.
- Amended. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 17:31, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

That's it, first pass, I think there's more to do than this, but this is my initial assessment. Putting it on hold. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 19:38, 2 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The Rambling Man Thanks for taking up this review! It's really appreciated. I've amended the points above and left some comments there. WA8MTWAYC (talk) 17:31, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for taking so long to get back to this, I missed the ping, but I'm generally content that this more than meets the GA requirements so I'm happy to promote it. Cheers. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 19:26, 10 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The Rambling Man That's alright. Thanks for this review, your comments are always appreciated! WA8MTWAYC (talk) 19:58, 10 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 19 November 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. more precise. (closed by non-admin page mover) Frostly (talk) 00:15, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Burnley F.C. in international football → Burnley F.C. in European football – Unlike teams such as Real Madrid, Liverpool or AC Milan Burnley has never played in international competitions (that is, competitions between clubs from different confederations/continents). It has only played against opponents in the European confederation, i.e. in European competitions. I have already taken the liberty of doing this move to the various other clubs that have never played international competitions, but I wanted to specifically request it in Burnley's case since this is a featured article. Sgubaldo (talk) 21:27, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: the proposed title actually was the name of the article until about a year and a half ago. I don't have a preference for either title. But, if the article's name gets changed, the infobox and category "English football clubs in international competitions" need to be fixed as well. Oh, just to add, Burnley were chosen to represent England in the first-ever International Soccer League, so the team have played in an international competition ;) Eem dik doun in toene (talk) 21:57, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. Giant Snowman 19:10, 24 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom, should never have been moved here in the first place. Giant Snowman 19:12, 24 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.