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Section sizes

Section size for Azov Brigade (37 sections)
Section name	Byte count	Section total
(Top)	11,869	11,869
History	15	114,100
Background and founding, February–April 2014	21,156	21,156
Special Tasks Patrol Police, May 2014	15,144	15,144
Reorganisation and incorporation into the National Guard of Ukraine, November 2014	4,145	4,145
Battle of Shyrokyne, January 2015	15,973	15,973
2016–2019	3,699	3,699
Russian invasion of Ukraine	4,838	53,968
Defense of Mariupol	43,300	43,300
Other 'Azov' units	5,830	5,830
Leadership and organisation	3,113	28,086
Commanders	4,390	4,390
Status	3,411	3,411
Foreign fighters	17,172	17,172
Azov movement	11,214	24,575
Azov Civil Corps	640	640
National Corps	3,092	3,092
Youth Corps	1,399	1,399
National Militia, 2017–2020	4,929	4,929
Centuria	3,301	3,301
Human rights violations	3,303	3,303
Neo-Nazism allegations	42,820	48,344
Connection to antisemitism	5,524	5,524
International arms and training controversies	52	13,168
United States	8,045	8,045
Canada	2,286	2,286
Israel	1,415	1,415
Greece	1,370	1,370
Use in Russian propaganda and information campaigns	191	21,098
Pre-2022	8,650	8,650
Russian invasion	12,257	12,257
Sham trials in Russia	4,986	4,986
See also	188	188
References	10,166	10,166
Notes	24	24
Further reading	2,108	2,108
External links	821	821
Total	282,836	282,836

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Omer Benjakob (14 March 2022). "Russia's War on Truth: Top Wikipedia Editor Arrested Amidst Ukraine Censorship". Haaretz. Retrieved 15 March 2022. Though Putin's bogus claims of "denazifying" Ukraine were called out, in English, the article on the contemporary far-right neo-Nazi Ukrainian paramilitary group, known as the Azov Battalion, has become a battleground, with some attempts to whitewash the group and deny their use of a Nazi symbol and neo-Nazi sentiments.

Daily Beast[edit]

Can you explain the reason for this edit in more detail? The Daily Beast is not an unreliable source. The RSP entry advises caution when using it for controversial statements, but I don't think that this particular passage is particularly controversial, given other sources in the article. Alaexis_¿question? 20:54, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Daily Beast is not an unreliable source
It's also not a reliable source and the article overall is full of academic sources to replace news, journalist and press sources with, which authors are encouraged to do. ManyAreasExpert (talk) 21:11, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sources calling Azov Regiment a neo-Nazi group include[edit]

Why is there such one-sided footnote-commentary right in the lead after "The unit has drawn controversy over its early and allegedly continuing association with far-right groups and neo-Nazi ideology"? Where is the neutralizing the POV collection of sources saying the opposite? Not quite NPOV. What to do with that? ManyAreasExpert (talk) 22:51, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The alternative PoV is presented in the next sentence (Others argue that the regiment has changed.... Alaexis_¿question? 20:36, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Allegations[edit]

Greetings @F.Alexsandr, why have you removed [1] "Allegations" from the section title? ManyAreasExpert (talk) 13:29, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Because its a fact, not merely allegations. F.Alexsandr (talk) 14:10, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your claim is wrong. ManyAreasExpert (talk) 14:12, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds like you are basing your alteration on your personal opinion rather than the actual article, the section contains sources with both points of view. TylerBurden (talk) 16:32, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sham trials[edit]

I see sources are pretty solid in characterizing these developments as "Sham trials". I'll add another one - Trials of Ukrainian Prisoners of War in Russia: Decay of the Combatant’s Immunity (justsecurity.org) . ManyAreasExpert (talk) 16:02, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Personally I agree that it's not a fair trial. However calling it like this in the section title is not encyclopedic. Most of the sources do not use this term [2], [3], [4], [5]. Alaexis_¿question? 20:52, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Those are short news. More in-depth analyses like those above and from HRW do note that trials are a joke off justice:
A sham trial Russia has put Ukrainian prisoners of war connected with the Azov Brigade on trial for terrorism — Meduza
Ukraine: Russian sham trials of prisoners of war in Mariupol ‘illegal and unacceptable’ - Amnesty International
Russian sham trial threatens 33 UA soldiers with almost 30 years in prison / The New Voice of Ukraine (nv.ua) ManyAreasExpert (talk) 20:59, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

US[edit]

No mention of the fact that the US Congress banned funds to Ukraine over Azov (https://khanna.house.gov/media/in-the-news/congress-bans-arms-ukraine-militia-linked-neo-nazis) and the ADL's assessement in 2019 (https://www.adl.org/resources/report/hate-beyond-borders-internationalization-white-supremacy). This article is a post-2022 whitewashing propaganda piece. 167.142.48.84 (talk)

"In 2018, the U.S. House of Representatives again passed a provision blocking any training of Azov members by American forces, citing its neo-Nazi connection" Slatersteven (talk) 10:23, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

IN fact we have a whole section on the allegations. Slatersteven (talk) 10:25, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Probably this should be under allegations of antisemitism. The article puts the allegations all over the place to make the pre-2022 allegations less definitive then they are. 167.142.48.84 (talk) 10:30, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It is. Slatersteven (talk) 10:32, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]