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seriously?

Is there any source that claim UAE and India are part of axis of upheaval? -- Iri1388 (talk) 18:34, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My bad. didn't notice the history. -- Iri1388 (talk) 20:28, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"global south" doesn't belong in the "see also" section

Considering russia is part of the axis of upheaval and russia isn't part of the global south, putting "global south" in the "see also" is completely irrelevant. Tdmurlock (talk) 19:17, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dear @Tdmurlock, I read the Wikipedia:See alsos. Although I believe that topics like BRICS, Global South, and Non-Aligned Movement are relevant, I revert my last contribution. -- Iri1388 (talk) 19:57, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge proposal

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

Merge. There is consensus for a merge, the main caveat being not if a merge should happen or not, but the current name of the destination page. As a result, the pages should be merged, and then a move discussion about the name of the destination page opened. Choucas Bleu 🐦‍⬛ 21:41, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The article CRINK details the exact same concept as this page. It should be merged into this page. —𝚃𝚠𝚒𝚗𝙱𝚘𝚘 (talk) 15:46, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed - should really be merged, especially as CRINK is a stub. Bluethricecreamman (talk) 15:49, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge as there is not enough substance here to merit a stand-alone page. - Amigao (talk) 03:34, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge Ditto to earlier comments re merger.Mrodowicz (talk) 10:12, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge CRINK is a stub and a low quality article. Theofunny (talk) 15:20, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Disagreed - The CRINK article is about an acronym from 2023, its origin and usage. The article "Axis of Upheaval" describes the anti-Western quartet of China-Russia-Iran-North Korea, originally based on a single Foreign Affairs article from 2024 of the same title.

The CRINK article was intended to be in the vein of political neologisms, similar to articles such as Outposts of Tyranny, Coalition of the Willing, Vital Center or Mayberry Machiavelli. The terminology is a different issue from the content.

There are many names for the China-Russia-Iran-North Korea quartet, just to name a few recent examples: Congressman Michael McCaul called it the "unholy alliance,"[1] the Biden administration called it the "quartet of chaos,"[2] a Congress-backed group called it the "axis of growing malign partnerships."[3]

In general, "Axis of Upheaval" does not seem to be the most common media term for the quartet; for comparison, a Google search for "Axis of Upheaval" and "China" returns fewer results, mostly in connection with the Foreign Affairs article on which this article was originally based, than a search for "CRINK" and "China".

Politico even recently published an article about the naming debate, mentioning CRINK among others but not Axis of Upheaval.[4]

It might be worth considering renaming the "Axis of Upheaval" article. The E Street Shuffle (talk) 20:59, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed - Article is roughly the same and could just be incorporated under the Term section of the Axis of Upheaval. Doremon764 (talk) 17:42, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Disagree - Axis of Upheaval does not seem to be the common name. Even US lawmakers don't call it that [5] see Moolenaar. that In fact I think the Axis of Upheaval article should be merged into an expanded CRINK. It is an all-round more neutral and precise name Andro611 (talk) 06:52, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agree to merge to the WP:COMMONNAME (which is what?). CRINK has now grown above stub. No confidence this target is the commonname. WP:NEO is relevant. Is it WP:TOOSOON to know which is the common name? The weak argument is that the scope should be based on words as words (e.g. acro definitions) - despite use in rhetoric. We even have "CRINK the new Axis of evil".[6] in 2024, and CRINK is more neutral. Widefox; talk 16:01, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Added Axis of Resistance

Added , Axis of Resistance, as another title. 2A00:1370:8186:31A0:3464:2B13:2A3D:215F (talk) 21:40, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Usage of the term. Autoritäre Achse - "Achse der Autokratien"

It alreay was coine in this article in April 2023 https://konflikteundsicherheit.wordpress.com/2023/04/14/eine-revolution-im-entstehen-die-aktuellen-ereignisse-im-iran-und-ihre-folgen-gastbeitrag/ & here in August 2023 https://die-flaschenpost.de/2023/08/21/interview-zum-thema-iran-mullahs-und-aussenpolitik-in-der-piratenpartei/ both in german. --Japan01 (talk) 00:56, 1 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]