Talk:Area (LDS Church)

Subpage Created

Hello again, everyone! Today, the Church announced area leadership assignments that will be effective August 1. I have created this subpage for those changes. The changes that will be implemented onto that page are as follows:

Preliminary Note: An asterisk (*) denotes an area seventy.

Africa Central Area

Outgoing: Matthew L. Carpenter, Thierry K. Mutombo, Ian S. Ardern

Incoming: Ian S. Ardern, Thierry K. Mutombo, Paul B. Pieper

Africa South Area

Outgoing/Incoming (No change): Edward Dube, Marcos A. Aidukaitis, Denelson Silva

Africa West

Outgoing/Incoming (No change): S. Gifford Nielsen, Jörg Klebingat, Alfred Kyungu

Asia

Outgoing: David P. Homer, Benjamin M. Z. Tai, Kelly R. Johnson

Incoming: Benjamin M. Z. Tai, Kelly R. Johnson, Michael John U. Teh

Asia North

Outgoing: Takashi Wada, James R. Rasband, John A. McCune

Incoming: Takashi Wada, John A. McCune, J. Kimo Esplin

Brazil

Outgoing: Adilson de Paula Parrella, Joni L. Koch, Juan A. Uceda

Incoming: Joni L. Koch, Arnulfo Valenzuela, Mark D. Eddy

Caribbean

Outgoing: Eduardo Gavarret, Jorge M. Alvarado, Moises Villanueva

Incoming: Eduardo Gavarret, Valeri V. Cordon, Moises Villanueva

Central America

Outgoing: Brian K. Taylor, Taylor G. Godoy, Patricio M. Giuffra

Incoming: Taylor G. Godoy, Patricio M. Giuffra, Ryan K. Olsen

Europe Central

Outgoing: Massimo De Feo, Erich W. Kopischke, Ruben V. Alliaud

Incoming: Massimo De Feo, Ruben V. Alliaud, Jack N. Gerard

Europe East:

Outgoing/Incoming (No change): Alexey V. Samaykin*, Nikolai Ustyuzahaninov*, Aleksandr A. Drachyov*

Europe North:

Outgoing/Incoming (No change): Hans T. Boom, Scott D. Whiting, Alan T. Phillips

Mexico

Outgoing/Incoming (No change): Hugo Montoya, Adrian Ochoa, Sean Douglas

Middle East/Africa North

Outgoing/Incoming (No change): Anthony D. Perkins, Alvin F. Meredith III, Roland J. Bäck*

North America Central

Outgoing: Chi Hong (Sam) Wong, Arnulfo Valenzuela, Randall K. Bennett

Incoming: Chi Hong (Sam) Wong, Randall K. Bennett, Ricardo P. Giminez

North America Northeast

Outgoing: Allen D. Haynie, W. Mark Bassett, Vaiangina Sikahema

Incoming: Allen D. Haynie, Vaiangina Sikahema, Mathias Held

North America Southeast

Outgoing: Vern P. Stanfill, Matthew S. Holland, Shayne M. Bowen

Incoming: Vern P. Stanill, Shayne M. Bowen, W. Mark Bassett

North America Southwest

Outgoing: Paul B. Pieper, Jose L. Alonso, Michael A. Dunn

Incoming: Evan A. Schmutz, Jose L. Alonso, Michael A. Dunn

North America West

Outgoing: Mark A. Bragg, Valeri V. Cordon, Gary B. Sabin

Incoming: Mark A. Bragg, Gary B. Sabin, Adeyinka A. Ojediran

Pacific

Outgoing: K. Brett Nattress, Peter F. Meurs, Taniela B. Wakolo

Incoming: Peter F. Meurs, Taniela B. Wakolo, Jeremy R. Jaggi

Philippines

Outgoing/Incoming (No change): Steven R. Bangerter, Yoon Hwan Choi, Carlos G. Revillo Jr.

South America Northwest

Outgoing/Incoming (No change): Jorge F. Zeballos, Jorge T. Becerra, Rafael E. Pino

South America South

Outgoing/Incoming (No change): Craig C. Christensen, Joaquin E. Costa, Alan R. Walker

Utah

Outgoing: Kevin W. Pearson, Evan A. Schmutz, Hugo E. Martinez

Incoming: Kevin W. Pearson, Hugo E. Martinez, Brian K. Taylor

My thanks once again to you all. Jgstokes (talk) 04:50, 15 April 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for your work on this!!! The only concern I have of developing a separate page is that changes made between now (ie. updates to references, language, stats, etc.) still get incorporated. One big update is that I'm guessing membership statistics will be updated between now and then. Thanks! Dmm1169 (talk) 16:41, 15 April 2023 (UTC)

That has been a problem we've been dealing with for years. But I found a way around it that works. When August 1 rolls around each year, I copy nnd paste in the text from the subpge to this page, citing established policy in the edit summary and including an html link back to the page history on the subpage so anyone can see it. I had to start doing it that way around 5-7 years ago when I no longer had the help of someone with administrative rights who could merge the subpage and its' history into these main pages. So that's the workaround I found for that. If you know of a better method, please let me know. Thanks. Jgstokes (talk) 03:11, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

Table format issue when area headers are combined in same table.

I'm using "Make headers of tables display as long as the table is in view, i.e. "sticky" (requires Chrome v91+, Firefox v59+, or Safari)" option "under the Testing and Development" section in Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets. This feature has been great when viewing other long tables until seeing a table like this where the entire Africa Central header shows up as I scroll down. Simply adding a break to each table should eliminate this issue.

I'm going to separate each section as separate tables to eliminate this issue. Thanks.-- Dmm1169 (talk) 22:38, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

Venezuela to Change Areas in August

Effective August 1, oversight for the nation of Venezuela will transition from the South America Northwest Area to the Caribbean Area. My thanks once again to you all. User:Jgstokes (talk)—We can disagree without becoming disagreeable. 22:12, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

2024 Changes in Area Leadership

The area leadership assignments for 2024 have been announced. I have created a subpage of this page to hold the changes until then. The changes that will be implemented, by area presidency, are as follows

Preliminary Note: An asterisk (*) denotes an area seventy.

Africa Central Area

Outgoing: Ian S. Ardern, Thierry K. Mutombo, Paul B. Pieper

Incoming: Thierry K. Mutumbo, Paul B. Pieper, Christophe G. Giraud-Carrier

Africa South Area

Outgoing: Edward Dube, Marcos A. Aidukaitis, Denelson Silva

Incoming: Carlos A. Godoy, Denelson Silva, Vaiangina Sikahema

Africa West

Outgoing: S. Gifford Nielsen, Jörg Klebingat, Alfred Kyungu

Incoming: Alfred Kyungu, Adeyinka A. Ojediran, Isaac K. Morrison

Asia

Outgoing/Incoming (No change): Benjamin M. Z. Tai, Kelly R. Johnson, Michael John U. Teh

Asia North

Outgoing: Takashi Wada, John A. McCune, J. Kimo Esplin

Incoming: John A. McCune, J. Kimo Esplin, Christopher H. Kim

Brazil

Outgoing: Joni L. Koch, Arnulfo Valenzuela, Mark D. Eddy

Incoming: Joni L. Koch, Ciro Schmiel, Mark D. Eddy

Caribbean

Outgoing: Eduardo Gavarret, Valeri V. Cordon, Moises Villanueva

Incoming: Jorge F. Zeballos, Valeri V. Cordon, Vern P. Stanfill

Central America

Outgoing/Incoming (No change): Taylor G. Godoy, Patricio M. Giuffra, Ryan K. Olsen

Eurasian (formerly Europe East):

Outgoing/Incoming (No change): Alexey V. Samaykin*, Nikolai Ustyuzahaninov*, Aleksandr A. Drachyov*

Europe Central:

Outgoing: Massimo De Feo, Ruben V. Alliaud, Jack N. Gerard

Incoming: Ruben V. Alliaud, Jack N. Gerard, James W. McConkie III

Europe North:

Outgoing: Hans T. Boom, Scott D. Whiting, Alan T. Phillips

Incoming: Scott D. Whiting, Marcos A. Aidukaitis, Alan T. Phillips

Mexico

Outgoing: Hugo Montoya, Adrian Ochoa, Sean Douglas

Incoming: Hugo Montoya, Sean Douglas, Moises Villanueva

Middle East/Africa North

Outgoing/Incoming (No change): Anthony D. Perkins, Adilson de Paula Parrella, Roland J. Bäck*

North America Central

Outgoing: Chi Hong (Sam) Wong, Randall K. Bennett, Ricardo P. Giminez

Incoming: Randall K. Bennett, Steven R. Bangerter, Ricardo P. Giminez

North America Northeast

Outgoing: Allen D. Haynie, Vaiangina Sikahema, Mathias Held

Incoming: Allen D. Haynie, Mathias Held, Robert M. Daines

North America Southeast

Outgoing: Vern P. Stanill, Shayne M. Bowen, Ahmad S. Corbitt

Incoming: Craig C. Christensen, Ahmad S. Corbitt, Massimo De Feo

North America Southwest

Outgoing: Evan A. Schmutz, Jose L. Alonso, Michael A. Dunn

Incoming: Jose L. Alonso, Michael A. Dunn, Jonathan S. Schmitt

North America West

Outgoing: Mark A. Bragg, Gary B. Sabin, Adeyinka A. Ojediran

Incoming: Mark A. Bragg, Takashi Wada, Peter M. Johnson

Pacific

Outgoing/Incoming (No change): Peter F. Meurs, Taniela B. Wakolo, Jeremy R. Jaggi

Philippines

Outgoing: Steven R. Bangerter, Yoon Hwan Choi, Carlos G. Revillo Jr.

Incoming: Carlos G. Revillo Jr., Chi Hong (Sam) Wong, Michael B. Strong

South America Northwest

Outgoing: Jorge F. Zeballos, Jorge T. Becerra, Rafael E. Pino

Incoming: Jorge T. Becerra, Rafael E. Pino, Juan Pablo Villar

South America South

Outgoing: Craig C. Christensen, Joaquin E. Costa, Alan R. Walker

Incoming: Joaquin E. Costa, Alan R. Walker, Eduardo Gavarret

Utah

Outgoing/Incoming (No change): Kevin W. Pearson, Hugo E. Martinez, Brian K. Taylor

My thanks once again to you all. User:Jgstokes (talk)—We can disagree without becoming disagreeable. 06:41, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

Revert of changes effective August 1

Mikeblas reverted the changes I had made to a user subpage and copied here, consistent with Wikipedia policies, and using the same procedure I have used for years. His edit summary indicated "there are too many problems with the references for these changes". I am openly inviting him and anyone else to comment here as to why that is the case, also per established policies. I am willing to fix whatever problems with the references exist. Thanks. User:Jgstokes (talk)—We can disagree without becoming disagreeable. 04:23, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

Having looked over my imported changes, I can see a few issues Mikeblas may have had. The new missions added for 2024 were announced in November 2023, and lack sourcing. I can add those sources if given sufficient time to do so. I also see that there may have been a lack of sourcing for the new temples announced in 2024, which can be verified here, but for which sourcing can be found on the appropriate templates. And I see that he also reverted my renaming of the Birmingham United Kingdom Temple to the Birmingham England Temple. That change can be verified here. If there are other problems, please enlighten me. User:Jgstokes (talk)—We can disagree without becoming disagreeable. 04:47, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

Your change uses a reference named "August 2024 changes2". That reference is invoked more than 40 times, but is never defined. As a result, the additions you've made to the article are all un-referenced and not verifiable. With these errors present, the article is automatically added to the Category:Pages with broken reference names error tracking category. The footnotes added all result in error messages, so even a cursory examination of the changes should make it plainly obvious that the intended references aren't working.

Maybe you meant to use "August 2024 changes1", which is defined here, but it also seems deliberate that there are two different names because the "1" and "2" names are used together back-to-back. Maybe you meant "August 2023 changes2", with a different year, but that's also not completely apparent. Or, maybe you intended something else entirely.

I've again reverted your edit. Please don't reintroduce these errors to the article until you have a fix for them. -- mikeblas (talk) 13:50, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

Really?? That was all it was?? Then you should have said that in your revert rather than stating the edits had "too many problems"! If you had bothered to clarify that in your edit summary, the problem would have been fixed by me right then and this discussion would have been unnecessary. And FYI, one broken reference does not negate the information when there is also a validly-linked and properly defined "August 2024 changes 1". So your assertion that "the edits were unsourced" doesn't have a leg to stand on. I am trying very hard to assume good faith on your part, but you're making it very difficult for me to do so in this case. Just so you know, the problem you mentioned was fixed. It amounted to a simple typo in the second cited source's defined name. Any other editor I've worked with at all on this page would have had the foresight to recognize what the issue was and the typo in question and fix it themselves. Apparently, you couldn't be bothered to extend that common courtesy to me in this case. Hopefully you'll have the good graces to do so next time. Good day, sir! User:Jgstokes (talk)—We can disagree without becoming disagreeable. 04:31, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

Your fix was not completely effective as it left a new undefined reference (for "August 2023 changes2") and one of the bots cleaned it up for you. Was the fix that the bot made correct? -- mikeblas (talk) 13:49, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

Yes, it was. That is the correct source for "August 2023 changes2". User:Jgstokes (talk)—We can disagree without becoming disagreeable. 07:06, 21 August 2024 (UTC)