Talk:Alan Kaufman (writer)

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Missing std bio info, notability question

No Birthday or standard bio info in this article; no references; recommend deletion if these are not added; notability questions to consider.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Nxguggenheim (talk • contribs) 14:10, 29 February 2012 (UTC) (contributing editor unknown)[reply]

This misplaced comment was properly placed as a Talk section; contributing editor unknown tag was added, but the comment appears as it otherwise did. LeProf 50.179.245.225 (talk) 19:17, 6 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Not up to Wikipedia standards

This article reads more like a press release than a biography. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.114.162.195 (talk) 23:13, 15 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Lists of references moved to Talk, for further action

The following mis-formated and disconnected citations are placed here until the editorial work to connect them to specific statements made in the article can be undertaken:

Heretofore appearing as a separate "SOURCES" sub-section, inconsistent with Wikipedia formatting:

1) THE ALAN KAUFMAN PAPERS at The Special Collections Library, University of Delaware:

  http://www.lib.udel.edu/ud/spec/findaids/html/mss0599.html

2) PEN AMERICAN CENTER/About Alan Kaufman: https://www.pen.org/alan-kaufman

3) THE POETRY FOUNDATION/About Alan Kaufman: http://www.poetryfoundation.org/bio/alan-kaufman

4) HUFFINGTON POST INTERVIEW WITH ALAN KAUFMAN:

  http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lisa-chau/interview-with-critically_b_3746853.html

5) SAN FRANCISCO CHRONICLE FRONT PAGE Book Review of Alan Kaufman's Memoir JEW BOY: http://www.sfgate.com/books/article/Saved-by-the-Word-After-years-of-self-hatred-a-2706396.php

6) SAN FRANCISCO CHRONICLE FRONT PAGE Book Review of Alan Kaufman's novel MATCHES:\ http://www.sfgate.com/books/article/For-love-of-another-country-An-American-fights-2598046.php

7) NEW YORK TIMES BOOK REVIEW OF ALAN KAUFMAN'S THE OUTLAW BIBLE OF AMERICAN LITERATURE:

  http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/17/books/review/17COVERGATES.html?_r=0

8) PUBLISHERS WEEKLY review of Alan Kaufman's memoir DRUNKEN ANGEL: http://www.publishersweekly.com/978-1-936740-02-4

9) PUBLISHERS WEEKLY review of Alan Kaufman's memour JEW BOY: http://www.publishersweekly.com/978-0-88064-252-1

10)PUBLISHERS WEEKLY review of Alan Kaufman's novel MATCHES: http://www.publishersweekly.com/978-0-316-10664-1

Heretofore appearing in the References Section, without connection to the text in any fashion:

REFERENCES: 1) THE ALAN KAUFMAN PAPERS at The Special Collections Library, University of Delaware:

  http://www.lib.udel.edu/ud/spec/findaids/html/mss0599.html

2) PEN AMERICAN CENTER/About Alan Kaufman: https://www.pen.org/alan-kaufman

3) THE POETRY FOUNDATION/About Alan Kaufman: http://www.poetryfoundation.org/bio/alan-kaufman

4) HUFFINGTON POST INTERVIEW WITH ALAN KAUFMAN:

  http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lisa-chau/interview-with-critically_b_3746853.html

5) SAN FRANCISCO CHRONICLE FRONT PAGE Book Review of Alan Kaufman's Memoir JEW BOY: http://www.sfgate.com/books/article/Saved-by-the-Word-After-years-of-self-hatred-a-2706396.php

6) SAN FRANCISCO CHRONICLE FRONT PAGE Book Review of Alan Kaufman's novel MATCHES:\ http://www.sfgate.com/books/article/For-love-of-another-country-An-American-fights-2598046.php

7) NEW YORK TIMES BOOK REVIEW OF ALAN KAUFMAN'S THE OUTLAW BIBLE OF AMERICAN LITERATURE:

  http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/17/books/review/17COVERGATES.html?_r=0

8) PUBLISHERS WEEKLY review of Alan Kaufman's memoir DRUNKEN ANGEL: http://www.publishersweekly.com/978-1-936740-02-4 LeProf 50.179.245.225 (talk) 19:10, 6 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 11 January 2019

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: no consensus to move the page to the proposed title at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 21:34, 19 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Alan Kaufman (writer) → Alan Kaufman – WP:PTOPIC. This was moved in October 2014 as there being no primary topic, but in my Google books search, "Alan S. Kaufman" the psychologist is always referred to as such and "Alan Kaufman" the writer on other topics. The page views are that Alan S. is viewed about twice as much as all others combined, but without him, Alan Kaufman (writer) would be clearly the primary topic: Allen Kaufman gets only a trickle of hits and the DAB itself even fewer. All three entries are also at the disambiguation page Kaufmann, and the two Alans hatnote each other. 89.147.70.233 (talk) 09:14, 11 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. No indication that one author named "Alan Kaufman" has greater notability than the other or that one entry listed on the disambiguation page has overwhelmingly more page views than all the others combined. Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 02:26, 12 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Page views are not the sole criterion - were it so, we could just redirect "Alan Kaufman" to "Alan S. Kaufman", link the two in a hatnote, and refer the other via the DAB at Kauffmann. But published sources seem always to refer to the psychologist as "Alan S. Kaufman", the writer as "Alan Kaufman", so those are the primary topics of those titles, each to each. Since more people view Alan S. than view the DAB page (to which the writer's hatnote directs), one can conclude that most people find him without using the DAB page. Even for those seeking Alan S. who go via "Alan Kaufman", a hatnote there is no more onerous than a DAB page entry. 89.147.70.233 (talk) 12:32, 12 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I see you added two DAB entries, but these people have only passing mentions at the target articles, and are not called "Alan" but "Allan". 89.147.70.233 (talk) 13:04, 12 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

For Wikipedia disambiguation purposes, John Stuart Mill, John Kenneth Galbraith or Edward G. Robinson are not the WP:PRIMARYTOPICs of the John Mill, John Galbraith or Edward Robinson disambiguation pages. Thus, Alan A. Kaufman, Alan B. Kaufman or Alan S. Kaufman are all considered to be named "Alan Kaufman" upon the Alan Kaufman disambiguation page.

There is also no need for hatnotes atop the two writers' articles, per WP:NAMB. Users researching Alan Kaufman (poet), Alan Kaufman (novelist) or Alan Kaufman (psychologist) are expected to type "Alan Kaufman" and be directed to the disambiguation page. Anyone typing "Alan S. Kaufman" is presumed to know exactly the specific target and not need a hatnote. In the case at hand, since both Alan Kaufmans can be qualified as "(writer)" or "(author)", a more specific qualifier, such as "(novelist)" or "(poet)" would be more appropriate for the subject of this page.

There are many examples of inconsistency, but disambiguation pages usually combine all forms of the given name, for example, the William Kaufman disambiguation page would also include Will Kaufman, Willy Kaufman, Willie Kaufman, Billie Kaufman, Billy Kaufman and Bill Kaufman. Those with similar surnames, such as Alan Kauffman, Alan Kaufmann or Alan Kauffmann are usually indicated under section header "See also", but are sometimes combined, such at the Phil Reid dab page or at the matter currently under discussion at Talk:Carl Zimmermann#Requested move 6 January 2019. Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 17:21, 12 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per Roman Spinner's detailed arguments, with which I agree. An example of a {{hndis}} page which includes three different spellings of a given name is Alan Bradley. I would also add that WP:PTOPICs are notorious for collecting bad links in which are rarely found and fixed, which puzzle readers, and which are bad for the encyclopaedia. Narky Blert (talk) 15:47, 19 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

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