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Akatsuki is not only from Naruto. Please fix to discuss other Akatsukis of note, (Battleships) or from other anime. (Cagalli Yuli Attha's Akatsuki from Gundam SEED Destiny)

Wouldn't Akatsuki (Naruto) be a better name for this page? --JadziaLover 18:23, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

I agree. This page should be called Akatsuki (Naruto). --SwordKirby537 03:27, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

References in Naruto

In his youth, Kishimoto lived near a military base, and many characters have the names of ships (hence Yamato, Kotetsu, Akatsuki and the like). --Bloodstained Agar 10:57, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

Kabuto

About Kabuto, I believe it's a bit to early to add him here anyways in that description. The sound location and the rotation has nothing to do with Kabuto as a character. Everything could take a different turn the next chapter. --Koopo 19:57, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

I agree, it's too early--JadziaLover 21:15, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

I removed Kabuto for now, Since what happened in this weeks chapter (290). The connection was to Akatsuki was very dim anyways better explained in Kabuto Biografi (Member of Sound).

Nine or ten members?

Does anyone know whether Orochimaru was replaced when he left? Given that there are only nine rings, it would make for ten or nine current and former members. --Pentasyllabic 22:51, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Akatsuki has nine members. The members are the Leader (零), Deidara (青), Unknown (白), Itachi (朱), Zetsu (亥), Kisame (南), Unknown (北), Unknown (三), and Sasori (玉). Sasori is now dead, but Tobi is probably going to replace him.

The last ring is still in the possession of Orochimaru (空). So there are ten rings.

Oh, that's what I was confused about: the leader's ring isn't included in the ring list. Adding him now. --Pentasyllabic 01:35, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Uchiha Itachi

What is wrong with these passages?

"He graduated top of his Academy class at age 7, had mastered the Sharingan by age 8, became a Chūnin at 10 and was previously a Black Ops (ANBU in the Japanese versions) squad leader at the age of only 13. He left Konoha about five years ago, after killing off his whole clan except for Uchiha Sasuke, his little brother. At 17, he was even feared by Orochimaru. He is now currently associated with Akatsuki. Orochimaru had planed to use Itachi's body as a new container, but seeing as Itachi is powerful to such a degree that even Orochimaru fears him (Possibly for the ability to copy every single jutsu he ever obtained with the sharingan) and has stated that Itachi is stronger, it's easy to see why Orochimaru decided to leave Akatsuki and try his luck with Sasuke instead."

Or,

• "There have been many debates between fans whether or not Uchiha Itachi is the most powerful shinobi in Naruto, commonly comparing his power to that of the Legendary Sannin. Nonetheless, common sense might point to Akatsuki Leader being the strongest, Although that cannot be known due to his/her rare appearances." --Malomeat 07:32, 5 March 2006 (UTC)Malomeat

Possibly for the ability to copy every single jutsu he ever obtained with the sharingan)

If this was true, then why doesn't he fear Kakashi or Sasuke? --JadziaLover 08:49, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

because he can simply overpower him. A fight against a shinobi with that much skill and the Mangekyō Sharingan could end up bad for him. --Malomeat 09:04, 5 March 2006 (UTC)Malomeat

I don't see anything wrong with the first passage, but the second is original research and shouldn't belong on WP. --Pentasyllabic 17:34, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Sorry

sorry to pop your bubbles but in Itachi's article somewhere it states that Itachi fears Jiraiya. --Anon.

What article is this? --Ninja6Fett 23:57, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Also, if Orochimaru was considered the strongest of the three nins and he feared Itachi, why would Itachi fear Jiraiya? --Ninja6Fett 00:36, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

He DID run away from him, remember?. --Malomeat 23:45, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

i agree my list of the strongest is:the leader,jiraya,itachi,orochimaru.

Kisame's age

Is Kisame 31 during Naruto I or Naruto II?

He's 29 according to the second data book, so he would be 31 in part 2.

～卍 JadziaLover ^{会話~投稿} 卐～ 06:51, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Signature ability

Shouldn't it be changed to abilities for most of these people, since almost all of them have multiple abilities listed. I'm going to edit it, but if you disagree feel free to change it back since I am new here. --Ninja6Fett 00:14, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Mostly I think I'll try to correct punctuation/grammar/spelling in the various articles, let me know if you disagree with what I edit. --Ninja6Fett 00:54, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

I would just add an s to the signature part

We need a major overhaul of the "signature abilities". Signature abilities are defining moves that a character uses to a maximum; we should not list every single jutsu a character has used. As such, we can't judge something a signature ability when they've only used it once (example Hidan's weapon at the moment). Chiyo used taijutsu to attack Kakashi in her first battle scene, but it turned out taijutsu was not at all any of her sig. ablts. Grrblt 21:39, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

That weapon is obviously his signature. They're not exactly the type to drag about an arsenal just for fun. If he's tossing that scythe about now, you can be sure he'll be seen using it again. I'll agree that some other abilities can be cut, though not many of them. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 22:29, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

How is it "obviously" a signature move of his? Itachi used a katana in the beginning! It is entirely possible he will just leave his scythe on the floor, as he has already commented on his low attack speed. Quite a lot of people have opened with some form of attack then scrapped it the next moment, because it was just an opener and nothing they expected to work. For the clean of the other signature abilities, we could have one line say "Signature abilities:" and one following with "Jutsu used:" because frankly, there is quite a difference. Signature abilities is more in line with the "Akatsuki powers" list that was here until just a few days ago. Grrblt 07:53, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

There's a difference between a common sword and a unique weapon such as Hidan's. As a general rule of thumb for this seires, most characters tend to keep a common strategy and don't change it right after the first use. I can think of very few characters which have done such a thing. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 21:15, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Signature ability implies something like Deidaras clay manipulation, Itachis Sharingan, elemental or such allignments like Kisame being heavily water based. What we have currently is an ability list and it should probably just be called Abilities. Itachis only signature abilities would be Sharingan, Mangekyou SHaringan and that Tsuyikomi(sp) and Ameratsu(sp). The suiton water jutsu especially isn't a signature ability. I understand the list existing because theres no article for the characters individually but it should not be referred to as Signature if it isn't an ability they are known for and use commonly. Kisame uses Samehada a lot for example, Deidara uses clay and Itachi uses the Sharingan.Darkwarriorblake 00:17, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Splitting out sections

This is a fairly long article, and the vast bulk of it consists of character biographies. Have you guys considered splitting out the longer biographies like the one for Uchiha out to separate articles, or perhaps moving the biographies en masse to a List of Akatsuki members article? --maru (talk) contribs 05:12, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Leader

I'm not sure if anyone has mentioned this before, but upon close inspection of chapter 254 page 15, the leader seems to have the sharingan. If this is true, it discredits the idea that it is the Yondaime Hokage. This also makes more sense concerning Itachi's statement that if Sasuke learned the Mangekyō Sharingan the number of people able to do it would be 3 (4 now with Kakashi).

You must be using the cleaned-up version from Inane. The Akatsuki Leader has no Sharingan. There have been many shots of the Leader where his eyes are clearly visible and none of those show any signs of Sharingan.

～卍 JadziaLover ^{会話~投稿} 卐～ 19:18, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

(To post below this one) True that many shots of his eyes have no sharingan, but sharingan is not visible until the user activates it. The leader may have one, but he is just not showing it.

It seem highly unlikely that the leader has the sharingan given Kisame's comment about how he 'never would have believed someone else had the same eyes as Itachi' when seeing Kakashi for the first time.

I've heard a theory something to the effect that the leader has mangekyou sharingan (MS from now on), which explains Itachi's speech of the "third" MS user. It's somewhat believable, since MS appears in people in different ways (Comparing Itachi to Kakashi, it is easy to see that their MS looks quite different). I dont know if I buy it though, seeing as to how we know absolutely nothing about the leader, and because I dont think anyone in akatsuki knows anything about leader (he may one day betray them all for all they know), and because it seems that MS degenerates eyesight, and requires ALOT of chakra. Not saying that the leader doesnt have, or doesnt have the potential to have, a large amount of chakra, or knows some way to use MS without hurting his eyesight, still, you cant really agree with something like that knowing so little of the circumstance. I'm starting to wonder if we will ever know, but I disgress.

As for Itachi's role in Akatsuki, you can kind of believe that the leader is an Uchiha, because Itachi knows of another MS user, the Leader is strong, and there is obviously someone who is pushing Itachi to grow stronger. It seems that there is a tree of sorts. Unown nin (Possibly Leader) pushes Itachi who pushes Sasuke. In the manga, where it shows Itachi destroying his village (Chapter 196? I think? I'll check later), it looks as if there is another Uchiha alive during the massacre up ontop of the pole, then in the next frame you see Itachi killing his family. True, time may have passed, but it still may be another nin. This explains Itachi's knowledge of another, and it explains that there is a relationship between Itachi and another Uchiha. This is further supplemented by the fact that Itachi's target Bijyuu is Kyuubi. Granted that Akatsuki is gathering the Bijyuu to implant into their bodies, making themselves jinchuuriki, if Itachi gained the powers of Kyuubi, he could use MS to no end, making him essentially invincible. Too bad this is all speculation, and has many many many holes in it.SlaserX 18:04, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

I dont recall any official source stating that Akatsuki is using the Bijyuu to make themselves Jinchuuriki...isn't this all speculation? I thought their reason for hunting the 9 demons was unknown.--Master Shan 06:07, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

remember you dont have to b an uchia to have ms

Major Revisions...

Woah, what happened, there is a lot of speculation and not hard facts put int othis article, like the super ninja Itachi wants to create and the trivia about the Akatsuki Leader.

Can this be changed?--Ninja6Fett 04:19, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

I deleted some of it. Never say things like "ALL fans believe" because someone won't.--Ninja6Fett 04:25, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Copy editing

It says this article needs to be copy edited. I've read it and there are as far as I can tell no errors, so can someone remove the tag? I went ahead and removed the tag for you. Danmeister 21:19 3 May 2006 (UTC)

THE AKATSUKI LEADER

some one is not beleiving me when i say the akatsuki leader is the 4th hokage!

shut up!

That's because 4th Hokage is proven to be DEAD! -Grrblt

That theory makes absolutely no sense. Why would the fourth hokage, a man who risked (and probably lost) his life to stop kyuubi, to defend his country, turn evil, start a group of likeminded people, and start ripping the bijyuu out of people, when he himself sealed a bijyuu into someone! Why would he create naruto, then sit around waiting a few years to come back and try and rip it out! The notion is simply proposterous. If anything, Yondaime Hokage was reverted back to an infantile form of himself in Naruto, which explains why he was able to learn S-Rank jutsus so easily (Especially Rasengan, a particularly difficult jutsu to use). Even if you dont buy the infantile reverting theory, you could always call it a reincarnation, or something to that effect. SlaserX 18:00, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

You know, the leader's silloute looks a lot like Shino's dad.

4th=leader if not then why would he seal a demon in his son if not to use its power?!?!?!--71.199.154.43 16:22, 1 July 2006 (UTC)fourth

i figured out that the leader has blonde hair because of a flash back hte old akatsuki leader and the future akatsuki leader clash and the old one gets defeated in a SECOND.--71.199.154.43 12:27, 3 July 2006 (UTC)the fourth

Edited To The Truth

Whoever is editing the section with theories, you should stop, especially with your 4th hokage=Akatsuki leader. I personately believe so, but you should say it's a theory, not blurt it out that it's the truth. Plus stop posting your theory in trivia for Zetsu and not saying it's a theory, it's really really annoying.

i think the akatsuki leader=yondaime hokage(4th hokage)but don't post it.

i put maybe but some one earased it and the leader is a nukenin(missing ninja) but some idiot earased that too!

The Akatsuki article is full of speculation anyway, so adding in theories about the Leader's identity shouldn't be that much of a problem. Hell, half of the Tobi section is just speculation on whether or not Tobi is Obito. Geg 19:27, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

"i put maybe but some one earased it and the leader is a nukenin(missing ninja) but some idiot earased that too!" Do you have a source? SlaserX 17:56, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

do you mean who did it?

data

how do you guys know blood types and registration numbers for the characters?!?!?

yeah, how do you know?

That information comes from the official data books. By the way, please, sign your comments ^^

～卍 JadziaLover ^{会話~投稿} 卐～ 21:55, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Order of members in the group shot

Ok, so there's been a lot of bitching with people changing the order of the member list on the lower part of the page. The members (except Deidara) are forming a circle, like this:

     Itachi   Sasori
 Giant           Unknown
Kisame                 Zetsu
    Unknown       Leader

       Seen from here

Starting with Kisame, the correct order is: Kisame (identified by sword), Unknown (Giant), Itachi (identified by hairdo), Sasori (identified by hairdo and height), Unknown, Zetsu (identified by weird thing covering his head), Leader (identified by hairdo), Unknown.

Since so many are editing this entry, probably due to lack of understanding the picture, do you think maybe I should try another way completely? Add numbers to the picture or perhaps list them simply from left to right? The latter option provides some difficulty with where to mention Deidara though. I'm changing the list back to the proper order for now, but I need some ideas on this one. Grrblt 20:23, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

The idea of the circle is really pretty hard to understand without a visual aid such as that. Simply doing it from left to right would probably be less complicated. Geg 23:31, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Agreed, I think left to right would be far better. by the way, I'm presuming from thr right unknown (between sasori and zetsu) is kakusu based on the fact that he is one of the only two remaining unknowns and the only one with a forehead protector actually on his forehead. Thusly the unknown in front of kisame must be hidan, as giant would be notable in his eventual appearance. Midusunknown 10:30, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Fact vs Theory

I think the facts and theories need to be under seperate headings. For each character put your theories under a theory heading and then talk about it, rather than mixing the two —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.56.40.51 (talk • contribs) 13:24, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

i agree--Geterdone 19:56, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Animated Images

It seems odd that only Uchiha Itachi has an animated profile image. There are several available animated images, that could be applied to the remaining member of the Akatsuki organization. Pingu 13:27, 10 April 2006 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.202.2.242 (talk • contribs) 20:25, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

I added the above unsigned notice because that comment was not added on April 10th, but on June 10th. -- Pedantic79 ^(talk) 04:00, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Gaara's fans should stay away from this section

How can you say that Deidara is not honorable? Because he used a good tactic against Gaara? Then Gaara is huge coward and even more not honorable since he fighted using Shukaku's powers in the middle of the desert! Start thinking people, fights are about winning not loosing in a honorable way. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 83.24.205.122 (talk • contribs) 11:13, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

..He [the kage] was attacked at his own stronghold in his own hidden Village of Sand....the enemy chose the battle ground not him. And there is no doubting that the targeting of the village was a drty trick, the likes of which hasnt ben seen by any other members as of yet. Saying that gara was wrong for using sand jutsu to his advantage in the dessert, specially his HOME dessert, is obsurd. It's like saying hidden mist ninja cheat by using watery areas to their advantage...--Master Shan

I'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic. He was using that as an arguement against the people who said Deidara used dirty tactics when he fought Gaara. The Magnificent, Fantastic, Splendiferous Gegiford 21:09, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

I WAS sarcastic but it seems some people are to short on brain cells to understand it.

And I was explaining that it was a stupid argument, as it WAS a dirty tactic.Maybe if you had more brain-cells you'd realise it--Master Shan 00:19, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Major Overhaul

Is it just me or is this page in need of a major overhaul? Most of the Bios are pure fan-speculation. Obito is Tobi because their names are similar? Its Wikipedia, not Narutofan.

Also would anyone be against adding a status section to each characters stat to say if they active or deceased? I'll do one big change and if anyone has any issues discuss it here and I'll revert it if need be or revert what you don't like.

Additionally, some of them, especially Itachi and Sasori should probably have their own pages and the Akatsuki article kept mostly to Akatsuki related activities. Darkwarriorblake 20:13, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

I do agree that the article kind of needs an overhaul, I don't think any of the members of Akatsuki should have their own members, Itachi included. I just think the main Akatsuki article should be the only page with Akatsuki member bios on it. (by the way, I've been editing the Akatsuki article as 205.188.116.197 all day; I'm just now logging in) Geg 23:09, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

I don't think there's any problem with the speculation, provided it's phrased correctly. For example, Tobi's bio says "Many fans believe that Tobi is Obito." This is fact, because many fans DO believe that Tobi is Obito (Ie the fact that many fans believe it is true, though Tboi=Obito may not be true itself). If it said "Tobi may be Obito" then that's bad phrasing, but i don't think mentioning speculation is necessarily a bad thing. Phoenix1985 10:08, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Yes but its meant to be a page of facts. If it was for fans overreacting to a name sharing 4 characters with another name, anyone could set up a webpage on geocities to achieve their fan-crazed ramblings. Until its proven or any evidence is given beyond his name, it is just some fan theory and should not be a part of a fact based document.

A few visual aids

File:AkatsukiNaruto.jpg

Akatsuki in their "circle".

The Akatsuki hands

Since the ring thing has started to be elaborated upon on the main page, I decided to make this to further elaborate on it. I'm not saying it should be added to the page, but just that it's nice to understand where each member belongs. I also made this a while back to help myself understand the order that the members of Akatsuki are standing in at the end of Part 1. Geg 23:37, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

I like that ring one. I'm adding it. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 02:04, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Hidan and Kakazu

File:Kakazu.jpg

Hidan and Kakazu

I think Hidan and Kakazu are switched here. In the manga the character with the forehead protector around his neck has a line that goes "Hey Hidan, this girl is the two-tailed jinchuuriki", I believe that would make Kakazu and the guy with the wierd eyes Hidan. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.150.232.42 (talk • contribs) 04:29, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure about the accuracy of the scanlation you have there. Binktopia scanlation that I'm looking at has translated the bubbles as follows. (In the order that you would read)

1. Is all that cursing really necessary?
2. Cut the casual shit, Hidan. This bitch is the two-tailed jinchuuriki...
3. If you let your guard down... I'll have to drag your corpse back to Akatsuki...
4. Be careful how you talk to me...
5. Kakuuzu

The other thing is if you look at the raw page you will notice in bubble 2 the ninja on the right says 飛段 (which an automatic kanji to romanji translator translated to Hidan). And in bubble 4 you have 角都. Unless they like saying their own name, the ninja on the right is Kakazu and the inja on the left is Hidan. -- Pedantic79 ^(talk) 06:08, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, for some reason, a lot of scanlation groups completely screwed up that last page. Another good translation I found has it as so:

Hidan: But really, you're not all that bad, dude.

Kakuzu: Hey, Hidan. This one is the Jinchuuriki for the Nibi. If you let your guard down... you're dead.

Hidan: Gimme a break, Kakuzu. You're probably hoping she does kill me, seriously.

So like I said, most scanlation groups screwed that last page up for some reason. Geg 17:48, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

well the scanlation i acquired was from narutofan.com, so that's why i'm pretty certain it's the accurate one. naruto fan is the leading fansite for naruto. that's why i revised the info on those two. Renegade78

NarutoFan doesn't scanlate their own manga; they get their scanlations from other sources. The translation used in that one is wrong. Here's a correct scanlation of that page: http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaReturns/chapter312hq.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=18581 Geg 00:18, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Also refer to the raw. http://img233.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bizintosima0165uw.jpg You can see in there the ninja on the right says 飛段, and the ninja on the left says 角都. 飛段 in romanji is Hidan. So the scanlation in Geg's comment is correct. -- Pedantic79 ^(talk) 00:28, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

I know this is off topic but do u guys input that date and stuff at the end of ur messages manualy, or do u know how to make it input ur name and stuff automatically, and if u know could u please tell me how cuz i'm just putting my name at the end of every message i write, lol. Renegade78

See Wikipedia:Sign_your_posts_on_talk_pages -- Pedantic79 ^(talk) 02:11, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Kakashi's Eyesight... going bad?

I remember when this first happened in the manga, and Kakashi said something like, "What's wrong? Are your eyes getting weak?" or something, to which Itachi just sorta smirked and shook his head. Fans began to speculation that he was damaging his eyes and all that...

But, um, a few chapters later, wasn't it also revealed that it wasn't Itachi's real body, and because of it, his abilities were limited? I kinda figured that that's probably the reason that his sharingan was less useful than usual. :/ WtW-Suzaku 08:08, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

No, you'll have to re-read the chapter. What Kakashi say's before the fight ever starts is something to the effect of "So..how far has your eyesight deteriorated?" to which Itachi responds with a somewhat shocked and bemused expression. This was all ::though I cant remember how:: said in the context of the MS btw, not the normal Sharingan. Nothing is confirmed, but it was definately a blatant implication that overuse, or perhaps simply use, of the MS deteriorates normal eyesight over time.--Master Shan 10:32, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Replacing the Akatsuki pic

Why do we even have the anime's akatsuki meeting picture up? The manga one is far better looking, allows the shilouttes to be far more easily defined, and is the orginal source considering its what kishimoto drew. I'd replace it now but I figure I'd meet alot of resistance and start a little flame war if I did. However, what do you all think? It was chapter 238, page 18&19 for those who want to look at it, and it just looks better in every form you can bring up. Midusunknown 01:38, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

I can identify most of the people in the cleaned up image from the manga. The anime image just looks a big mess, you can hardly tell what's even there. -- Pedantic79 ^(talk) 01:49, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Upload it. It would make a good replacement. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 02:46, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

I uploaded the manga version of the group shot, scaled down so that it's not such a large file. None of my art programs are very good at adding text to pictures, so I'll leave labeling the members to someone else. Snapper2 20:31, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Jumping The Gun; Wait for facts

It's really cool that within minutes of the raw's being put online people had info on hidan and kakuzu...however, I think people are really jumping the gun alot with speculations. Maybe we all should wait for higher quality, more respectable translation to come out before posting certain statements that base around a single scantalation groups translation. Or better yet, maybe we should wait a week for more revealing information to come out. Having the names and pic's are fine, they likely wont change, but saying things about hidan's speed and how he uses his weapon and jutsu's is just making this more like a forum of speculation and guesses, rather than an encyclopedia. Midusunknown 01:28, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Well if you look back over the past day or two, myself and others have made drastic changes to try and remove all the speculation. I don't know what this place was like before but man, it was like a collection of pure theory based on a fictional piece of work from every 12 year old on the net. So yeah, just remove anything that hasn't been stated as you see it.Darkwarriorblake 01:52, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

I've noticed the speculation is particularly bad in this subject area, and mostly done by anons. And people wonder why there's such a large push for registered editing? – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 02:45, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Question on Zetsu

When was it confirmed that he's from the Grass village? I don't recall ever seeing a forehead protector on him anywhere and I don't think he's had a profile in either of the official databooks. Geg 18:39, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

I believe it's his first appearance, after the VotE fight. We ses a glimpse of his forehead protector which he wears somewhere over his chest. Not a very good picture of it, but it was ID'd as Grass. Grrblt 20:17, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I was curious of that too. But if you look back to when he first shows, you can make out the protector between two of the "teeth" on the flytrap thing. WtW-Suzaku 11:46, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

I just looked at screenshots from that episode in the anime, as well as in the manga, and still couldn't see anything. The Splendiferous Gegiford 16:58, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Sasuke vs. Itachi

When do you guys think Sasuke will be ready to take on Itachi and go head-to-head? I don't expect you guys to know when they WILL fight, just looking for your opinion... - sasuke-kun27 22:37, 24 June 2006

Sauske himself says he wouldnt be able to compete with Itachi until after Orochimaru had taken control of his body, so a good bet is anything after 3 months from now in universe. That said this is a discussion page on the article Akatsuki (Naruto) not a talk forum.--Master Shan 08:53, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

soon becaus i have read the manga --71.199.154.43 12:29, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Was Akatsuki proven to be originally 10 members?

This article talks as if its fact that akatsuki was originally 10 members before Orochimaru left. Are we sure that he wasn't just replaced? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.8.44.172 (talk • contribs) 02:44, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

No, it was originally 10 due to the whole "10 rings" thing. And he hasn't been replaced as he still has his ring. Geg 02:56, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Ordering of new talking points

A few anons have been placing new talking points on top. While most others have been placed at the bottom. Are there any objections to me moving Talk:Akatsuki (Naruto)#Was Akatsuki proven to be originally 10 members? and Talk:Akatsuki (Naruto)#Fact vs Theory to their correct chronological ordering? -- Pedantic79 ^(talk) 03:30, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Someguy0830 moved those sections to the bottom. I moved the talks to where they would be if they had been added at the bottom of the page when they were added. As well as signed them as unsigned comments with the information from the history. -- Pedantic79 ^(talk) 04:00, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Ah well, at least I was close. Next time, just move the comment if someone makes it out of sequence. There's nothing wrong with it as long as the comment isn't altered. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 05:55, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Deidara

In the piece about Deidara it says he is given a deep voice in the anime. I am wondering if anyone knows what episode this is as I dont believe the anime has even reached the kakashi gaiden let alone the gaara retrival arc, which is when deidara is introduced, I believe.

Deidara is talking in episode 135. He's the one hanging upside down with only one visible eye. People only watching the anime don't know who he is, but we know. Grrblt 07:07, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Registered users only?

I'm not very well versed on Wikipedia internal workings but is there any way to request registered user only editing on this article? It's taking a great deal of effort from many people to repeatedly remove baseless speculation that is continuously added to this article and others, especially "Yondaime is the leader, Obito is Tobi, KIsame can breathe underwater because he looks like a shark".

Registered users won't save this article, I've seen at least 3 in the last day add speculation, but it might slow down the rate at which it is occuring.Darkwarriorblake 11:41, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

I don't think it would help much, I do think it could stand to have a rumours section though. Normally I wouldn't suggest a romour section as we're really trying to provide proven information but if people insist on adding things like the rumours about who the leader is at least there would be a dedicated section to keep it seperate from the facts. - Doc711

First appearance

There needs to be some consistency on this. If episode 135 is going to be used as an appearance, every single member needs to be marked as first appearing then (save for those appearing earlier, of course). If not, none should mention it. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 19:32, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

I think we could differentiate between just standing there like some prop, and actually interacting. Deidara and leader both speak (I think one other guy does aswell but dunno who that was), which is different from what most other guys did. Therefore, Deidara and leader can be considered to have made an apperance, but not the others. Also, I think these silhouette appearances should be changed whenever the member has a full apperance, like Deidara's being chapter 246 instead of 238. Grrblt 19:38, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Yes, but speaking doesn't mean anything, because we don't know who they are. It's just a disembodied voice. Assume a person has never read the manga. They will not know that voice is Deidara, because they don't know his position in the circle. Likewise, those that do read the manga will count every member, because they know their position. Positive identification is a requirement for an official appearance, which means we go all or nothing on this. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 19:41, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Actually, several of them speak, not just the leader and Deidara. But like I said, the Leader still hasn't made a full non-shadowed appearence, so I think that should still count as his. Geg 19:44, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Been a while since I saw that particular one, so I may be forgetting just how many speak. Still, my original point still stands. We can't just mark some. It's not good style. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 19:45, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Yes, you're right. In that case I say we add in "shadow" or "silhouette" to every member, and keep it like that until their full, opaque appearance. Meaning everyone was in Episode 135, and Leader is still at chapter 238. Also, shouldn't we add this type of info to Oro? Grrblt 19:46, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Orochimaru? No. He appears much earlier and has his own article. Unless you mean someone else. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 19:48, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, he appears earlier, but he was part of Akatsuki and it makes sense to include a list of at least the "Akatsuki info" on him, like ring, partner etc. What I'm proposing is a change of his entry to include a link to main article, short info list, and a short piece of text about him leaving, taking the ring and such. Grrblt 19:53, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

That'd be fine, but don't repeat the bio list. It's listed in his article. Including his ring and him leaving is enough. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 19:56, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

The problem is that if someone comes here looking for the Leaders first appearance and its the first episode you actually see his non-shadowed face, they will be overlooking a lot of episodes he has influence in (though i dont think hes appeared yet, dunno not been following the anime since fillers started).

So if they are influencing the story-line, it should list them.Darkwarriorblake 23:40, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

How about we do it like it's used in comics, Cameo vs Appearance. A shillouette is just a cameo, they haven't fully appeared or been revealed. Thusly chapter 238/episode 135 is a cameo for most of the akatsuki members. A hint at their future appearance so to say (similiar to Wolverine having a cameo in Hulk #180 but his 1st appearance is Hulk #181).

For example: Deidara's First Appearance: Chapter 246; Episode ??? [Deidara made a cameo in chapter 238;Episode 135 as just a shadow).

I'm sure someone could organize that better, but you all presumably get the point of saying cameo vs an actual appearance that has the characters actual physical appearance, name, and voice amongst other defining bits of info. Midusunknown 01:19, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

That was my earlier point, which is why I suggests doing all or none. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 01:47, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Itachi

Maybe someone should add that Itachi can cast genjustu w/ the use of a finger/ring as demonstrated in manga chapter 259 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.155.105.104 (talk • contribs) 02:50, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

nah --Geterdone 20:04, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Editing the Hidan article.

I thought the point of a wiki was to improve the cohesiveness of articles. Earlier today the Hidan article was changed from this http://en.wiki.x.io/w/index.php?title=Akatsuki_%28Naruto%29&oldid=61215347 to this http://en.wiki.x.io/w/index.php?title=Akatsuki_%28Naruto%29&oldid=61239619 I believe this changed helped organize subject matter in a more coherent article. This was subsequently improved upon by others in series of three or four updates, just to have someone completeling revert it to the link above. Though slowly it seems to be taking on the shape of the initial change I just found it annoying that somebody was perhaps upset that someone changed their work and reverted everything omitting things like the trivia section, and the link to Kakuzu. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Obf213 (talk • contribs) 0:57, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

It looks exactly the same except for the last line split into trivia. What's the problem? – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 21:02, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

I think the first paragraph should be about his mission, and then a separate paragraph should be about his attributes. I think its much more academic than describing everything in one paragraphy with no transition i.e. "They successfully captured the Nibi on their last assignment. He wields a three-bladed scythe..." you see how that complete jumps topics with no transition, meh it could just be me put that sounds sloppy.--Obf213 21:11, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

There. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 21:14, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

very well done--Obf213 21:16, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

This article still needs a fresh-up. First it says Hidan was not happy about having to capture the Nibi alive, and then, on the last line, it says he successfully captured Nibi. I'm not sure exactly how to best rewrite it but it doesn't look too good right now. Grrblt 21:24, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Current status of the bijū

I'm pretty sure they only have three bijū and one Jinchūriki at the moment. The map shows the areas that Hidan and Kakuzu have been searching for their assigned Jinchūriki not the location of all the Jinchūriki. When they say that the Fire Country is the last one, they are talking about their second Jinchūriki. That's the last place they need to search for it. The wouldn't be going after Naruto as he's assigned to Itachi. I really don't think that they could get that many Jinchūriki in a few weeks. Nemu 22:52, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

You have to remember the other comments. First, there's their "last one" statement, which in and of itself is not so much. However, add that map (you don't X off things you haven't completed) and the fact that they're heading to the Land of Fire and you have the heavy implication that they must be nearing completion. Also, there's no way Itachi and Kisame could handle the Leaf VIllage alone. They'll need backup. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 22:55, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

They would be checking off places that they've checked. They also say that they must be thorough in their search. If it was Naruto, they wouldn't say that as they know he's located there. The way they say it is that they have no idea where the Jinchūriki they're seaching for is located. I don't really know what the "last one" comment is meant to say, but I would guess that she was with a group or something and that she was just the last one. That's where the "you're not so bad" comment could come from meaning that the rest of the group was weak. Nemu 23:02, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Taking a second look, I'm further convinced my original theory is correct. Take a look at the Biju map. Notice the fact that both the Land of the Rice Fields and the Land of Thunder have not one, but two checks within them, and there are three other checks on top of that. Given that we know the Land of Wind has had its biju taken, that would mean eight checks. Clearly, they are not just checking off countries. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 23:16, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

I believe those are the different ninja villages(or major villages) that they have searched. I really think if they were after Naruto that they wouldn't have to "search thoroughly". Also, why would they have a map of all the Biju that have been captured when it is one assigned to each person? They don't deal with the other member's Jinchūriki unless they are close like Naruto was at the time. They would also make a bigger deal if there was one left. Nemu 03:33, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Given that there's only one left (supposedly), I'd think they wouldn't want to take any chances. The leader wouldn't be like "Oh let's keep the two man team thing in the face of the most powerful shinobi village instead of working together to capture the last biju." They can change strategy if they wish, and given the fact that both Itachi and Kisame have had trouble, he wouldn't be so foolish as to only send them again. Remember, we do not know the exact workings of the organization. The two man team thing could simply be for tracking down and capturing (if possible) the various demons. They may not hold to it if trouble arises. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 03:38, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

You make it seem like there is any comfirmation that more than just those to are heading to the Fire Country. Also, the fact that they say fire country rather than the Leaf Village would add to the X's being villiges that they've scouted. When they are talking, they refer to the Jinchūriki as theirs. They wouldn't do this if it was Naruto. They say "we have one more to take care of" which should mean their second one. Nemu 04:30, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

It is a translated version, and something always gets lost, but they may have been assigned in Itachi and Kisames place. Theorhetically, they wouldn't draw as much attention. Also, we only know of the one Hidden Village, aside from Smoke, in the Fire Country, and the Smoke village hasn't exactly been portrayed as competent. Think about it logically. They mark seven specific points on the map. The eighth (Sand), is not in the cross-section, but we know that a biju was there, and would logically be checked. The Fire Counrty, point nine, has no mark on it. If the map were simple location marking, then they'd have the Leaf Village marked, because it's a fact that Naruto's there. The fact that only seven marks are on the map means that it's not a location map, as they'd mark off every scouted location were that the only case. Depending on just when they left to get Nibi, that map may very well have been marked with only seven points (including Sand), signifying that those seven were already captured. The way I see it, it simply can't be simple scouting, the numbers are too low and too inconsistent with scouting for that to be the case. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 04:54, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

You're making assumptions. You can't know for sure what the crosses represent (they could be meeting points, places to check, whatever). They say they're heading for the Fire Country for the last one, but that could be only the last one they've been assigned. And you're not even sure they're talking of Naruto ; there could be another Jinchuuriki than Naruto in the Fire Country.--195.221.0.6 08:40, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

They're logical assumputions, for one thing. Anyway, like I've explained earlier, it is very unlikely that they're places to check. If they were only checking, they'd either have the Fire County marked off (possible location) or may more checks on the map (process of elimination. Click the link above. Several countries are ignored, and only seven points are on that map. Of those seven, they only cover five countries. Sound and Thunder are marked twice in very differen positions. Akatsuki wouldn't be sending their members on random goose chases. That map would more than likely mark the exact location of each biju. Hidan and Kakuzu may not have visited every spot on that map, in fact it's far more likely other Akatsuki went there at the same time, but the fact that they are not heading to another mark means the other biju are being or have been dealt with by this point. I don't speculate unless I can back it up, and this seems the most likely outcome given the current information. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 20:01, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

If they are checking the countries for their two Biju, why should they mark the Fire Country off? They don't know where they are located so they have to check each ninja village(that's where all of them will be located). If they're checking for theirs, they aren't going to mark of Naruto. They wouldn't be sending them on wild goose chases. They need to check each village for the Biju because the villages hide the fact that they have them, so it's hard to find them. Nemu 21:05, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Hm, maybe. The fact remains that the only people remotely capable of controlling a biju would be a hidden village. They wouldn't just let them wander off, unwanted or otherwise. Since no other demon aside from the nine-tails is mentioned in the Fire Country, why else would they be going there? It all seems a bit too convient for it to be much less than nearing completion of their goals. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 21:18, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

It makes far more sense that they are approaching completion than that they are conducting a random search for biju from village to village. Keep in mind the amount of territory they have to cover and the fact that the Hiden Villages seem to know ::as evidenced by the nibi:: that akatsuki is hunting them. This means that the biju are far less likly to be predictably located. Knowing this Akatsuki would likly look elsewhere than JUST one or two Hidden Villages per country and their "search" map would be far more extensively marked. Given the map and the context of the dialoug it's safe to assume that Naruto's the last man standing. Only time will tell.--Master Shan 00:37, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism

A lot of vandalism occurred from 70.101.7.245. There were a bunch of lost conversations as people were reverting some of the changes and not others. I have gone through and compared the current version to [1] and retrieved the conversations from that revision. The sections I retrieved or reversed vandalism in were Disambiguations, Kabuto, Nine or ten members?, Uchiha Itachi, Splitting out sections, Major Revisions..., THE AKATSUKI LEADER, Kakashi's Eyesight... going bad?. -- Pedantic79 ^(talk) 05:03, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

We noticed. I wonder how we missed all that? – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 05:06, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Hmmm. Lets see. User:MichaelBillington reverted one change but left five intact. User:Asterion reverted three changes, but missed one most likely because of a commit conflict. User:Essjay reverted one change, reverting to a version by 66.108.245.146 who posted his own little bit of vandism in the middle of this mess, and causing three changes to get through. User:Midusunknown removed some vandalism, but I'm too lazy to figure out which of the previous missed ones where caught. Then people started talking about other things. -- Pedantic79 ^(talk) 05:23, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

That could do it. – Someguy0830 (Talk | contribs) 05:26, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

User:Midusunknown removed the vandalism, but deleted the entire section rather than find what was there before. Thus losing them, and made me wonder why this talk page got so short all the sudden. -- Pedantic79 ^(talk) 05:35, 30 June 2006 (UTC)