Talk:Active shooter

June 2006

Now that I've moved the article, I'm not sure if it needs to exist in a separate state. The Columbine description is entirely redundant to the main Columbine High Massacre article, nor do the recitations of "Columbine-like" incidents add to the article. I shall broaden the list to include some work-place or other non-high-school incidents, Also, the article would be a reference for issues in the police SWAT article, which I'm rewriting to relflect changes in tactics for police. Tychocat 13:44, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

I've now taken out some of the redundant Columbine references, which already exist in the full Columbine High Massacre article. There was one movie not in the full article (Duck! Carbine High Massacre) which I added to the movie list in the full article. Tychocat 09:29, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

I've reverted some changes by REN, mainly to note that Active Shooter incidents include snipers. Added a section on changes in police response, which admittedly should have been their earlier, but oops. Added links and citations to beef up documentation. Tychocat 08:32, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Batshield

Both the Immediate Action Rapid Deployment page and this page mention the absolutely necessity (even requirement) of a ballistic shiled. Both articles specifically mention the "Baker Batshield®". WHile it certainly seems like a smart invention, who says it s requirement? We need a source, or else it just seems like guerilla advertising. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 130.64.140.95 (talk • contribs) 05:21, 19 April 2007.

I came here to say the same thing - the prominent location and style of writing about the "Baker Batshield" is totally out of place. The first 2 of 3 paragraphs of this article are about the shield, quotes by the manufacturer about the product in a prominent place in an almost unrelated subject page - out and out advertising. It should be excised completely - and any relevant content moved to the Ballistic Shield page. CraigWyllie 02:59, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

I disagree about the Baker Batshield being pure advertising. This new modern flexible ballistic shield allows the responding officer to obtain quick close physical proximity and have two hands on a weapon for accurate aiming. Immediate Action Rapid Deployment (IARD) is most effectively accomplished with this product, which is exactly what was described in the WIKI article. I am editing the article to include a reference to modern flexible shields, which agrees that they are necessary for an efficient law enforcement response to an active shooter.

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SEALE Police Academy report

There's been recent activity in this paragraph, which makes me wonder why one report has such a prominent place in this article at all. It seems undue. It should either be incorporated into other research on the subject or reliable sources should be cited that establish the report's notability. Andrew³²⁷ 20:05, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

I just stumbled on this article. My plan is to expand and develope the article but I had to start somewhere. There are hundreds of reports. For whatever reason, previous editors chose to give SEALE Top Billing. Im sure further research will enable editors to focus on the subject rather than Specific reports on the subject. Stay tuned and collaborate. ```Buster Seven Talk 21:20, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

I just didn't want to make edits and then find out that this is a canonical report on the subject. I also stumbled upon it. It should be expanded, since the fear of an active shooter is behind the current debate on gun control and also behind the recent uptick in gun sales and interest in concealed carry licenses. Andrew³²⁷ 00:22, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

Under Construction

As discussed, this article needs to be expanded and improved. Please see User:Buster7/Sandbox-Active shooter and collaborate with the transition. ```Buster Seven Talk 14:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

Transition enacted. ```Buster Seven Talk 20:45, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

Please check that this statement is still currently true, as I believe a responding officer was killed in the recent Planned Parenthood shooting in Colorado: "No law enforcement officers have been killed responding to active shooter incidents in the United States and only a few have been injured." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.48.158.254 (talk) 21:45, 2 December 2015 (UTC)

copyvio

" According to New York City Police Department (NYPD) statistics, 46% of active shooter incidents are ended by the application of force by police or security, 40% end in the shooter’s suicide, 14% of the time the shooter surrenders or, in less than 1% of cases, the violence ends with the attacker fleeing" is found in the cited source http://cdn2.hubspot.net/hub/91068/file-15973733-pdf/docs/msa_special_analysis_-_active_shooter_threat_8.20.12.pdf

According to New York City Police Department (NYPD) statistics, 46 percent of active shooter incidents are ended by the application of force by police or security, 40 percent end in the shooter’s suicide, 14 percent of the time the shooter surrenders or, in less than 1 percent of cases, the violence ends with the attacker fleeing. which is a tad past fair use of exact language. The sole work done by an editor is changing "%" to "percent. Collect (talk) 22:43, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

"The FBI analysis found that active shooters were often described as “social isolates” who “harbored feelings of hate and anger” and had some contact with mental health professionals, the article says. But while mental illness is a common factor among active shooters, its functional role in the massacres is as of yet undetermined. Very few shooters in the cases analyzed for the study had previous arrests for violent crimes, although many had encountered emotional hardship prior to the attack, such as “loss of significant relationships, changes in financial status, loss of a job, changes in living arrangements, major adverse changes to life circumstances, and/or feelings of humiliation or rejection on the part of the shooter.”" is in http://www.securitymagazine.com/articles/83930-fbi-4-percent-of-active-shooters-since-2002-were-female The diff [1] has

Described as “social isolates” who “harbored feelings of hate and anger” active shooters often had some contact with mental health professionals. While a common factor, the functional role that mental illness plays in causing the massacre is indeterminate according to FBI analysis. In cases analyzed by the FBI very few of the shooters had "previous arrests for violent crimes, though many had encountered a significant emotional hardship prior to the attack such as loss of significant relationships, changes in financial status, loss of a job, changes in living arrangements, major adverse changes to life circumstances, and/or feelings of humiliation or rejection on the part of the shooter.” citing no source at all, but clearly copied from this source. Collect (talk) 22:58, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

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Active shooter statistics

I removed the following quote. It is unreliably sourced; there is no indication where Borsch got his numbers from.

Borsch sums up the matter neatly:

In reality (not theory), and round numbers, rapid mass murder has been aborted primarily by a single courageous actor. 50% have been UNARMED [civilians], 25% were armed [civilians], and the remainder have been police officers (also primarily initiated by a SOLO officer).

By contrast, there is a reliable source— an actual FBI study—for the proposition that:

* More than half of the incidents—90 shootings—ended on the shooter’s initiative (i.e., suicide, fleeing), while 21 incidents ended after unarmed citizens successfully restrained the shooter.

• In 21 of the 45 incidents where law enforcement had to engage the shooter to end the threat, nine officers were killed and 28 were wounded.

There were no incidents stopped by armed civilians. Fluous (talk) 02:03, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

References

Taxonomy section needs a heavy rewrite

The whole section uses unencyclopedic language, has inaccuracies, and is somewhat uncited. Rewrite or possible deletion of section? TheForgottenKing (talk) 05:57, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

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Failing WP:ISATERMFOR

This article needs to be rewritten to describe what an active shooter is, it's focusing too much on the terminology of the term. SparklyNights 19:00, 26 October 2023 (UTC)