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Suppressed section about a woman supposedly imprisoned for abortion; as it was the killing of a already born infant, not of a fetus, she was imprisoned for murder, not for abortion.

Donadio (talk) 20:58, 21 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It is incorrect the information that abortion in cases of rape and risk of mother's life is technically a crime. In Brazilian system of application of criminal law, "crime" is a conduct that is has a legal typification (i.e. abstract description) and with no "ilicitude excludent cause". The life risky pregnancy and that resulted from rape are both included among "ilicitude excludent causes" for the legal typification of "abortion", thus making it not a crime at all. I will have to correct that information in the article. Phcgontijo (talk) 02:15, 23 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Misleading first sentence?

The first sentence is phrased rather oddly.
It says, “Abortion in Brazil is legal if the pregnancy puts the life of the woman in danger or if the pregnancy is the result of a rape”, but arguably it could also read like this:
“Abortion in Brazil is illegal unless the pregnancy puts the life of the woman in danger or if the pregnancy is the result of a rape”.
The first sentence (the one that the article uses) has a positive impression (it’s legal) whereas the second sentence has a negative (but truer) impression (generally, in 99% of cases, abortion is illegal in Brazil). Surely the article should use the second instance, as abortion is illegal in Brazil, except in rare circumstances. Somebody might visit the article to quickly check / look up / research the legality of abortion, and see the first relevant word: legal. In that instance they would be getting a false impression of the actual reality in Brazil. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.136.43.163 (talk) 19:24, 10 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I would argue that anyone who picks one word in the first sentence of any Wikipedia article to look at will likely be badly misled about the topic and content of that article. I also don't see how specifically stating the cases in which abortion is anything but clearer and less cumbersome than stating that abortion is in general illegal, and then stating these cases. Denoting specific cases in the summary section of a Wikipedia article about legality generally implies that they are the only, or at least by a great degree the most common, known instances in which the status (in this case, legal) applies. In addition, leaving that to implication is closer to factual correctness, as laws are being made and changed all the time and we cannot assume that some individual or group with an omniscient knowledge of all details of Brazilian law is at all time watching over all that transpires and immediately committing details to this page...I imagine it would be rather longer and more in depth were that the case. There may well be many other specific cases such as the anencephaly provision, more obscure, less publicized or controversial, but nonetheless existent. In this case, to blanket state illegality would be to diverge from the truth on an assumption, however seemingly reasonable. 104.243.244.46 (talk) 11:26, 22 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The paragraph about the obstetrician-gynecologists might be better as its own section such as "Extralegal Medical Practices" or "Medical Opinions" (though the paragraph is actually about personal practices, not political opinions).

I left that as is for now, but added in "obstetrician-gynecologists affiliated with the Brazilian Federation of Obstetricians and Gynecologists" in place of "doctors", and added a few occurrences of the word "these". Just an issue of avoiding vagueness, biased tone, tautological error, or confusion. There is no evidence contained within the source cited to support the claim that any comprehensive sampling of Brazilian doctors returned these percentages: this study is specifically restricted to obstetrician-gynecologists affiliated with the aforementioned organization. It's only a few more words and was probably just an innocent omission to begin with. 104.243.244.46 (talk) 11:26, 22 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Future of Abortion Rights in Brazil

I think information could be added about how abortion rights might change in the coming years for Brazilians. This source might be helpful: https://progressive.org/latest/future-of-abortion-rights-in-brazil-felizola-090122/ Graceland2 (talk) 00:23, 27 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]