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What was clear and unequivocal from the outset, was that Rudakubana had extensively researched and planned the attack knowing exactly who the victims were to be. He had travelled several miles to Southport at the exact time of the children's event which could call into question an inference of assistance from a third party. On 29th October 2024 the Crown Prosecution Service charged him with 3 counts of murder, 10 counts of attempted murder, 1 count of carrying a bladed article, and offences under the Terrorism Act 2000 and Biological Weapons Act 1974. It was discovered that he had manufactured ricin and that he had researched Al Qaeda training manuals. These latter charges were known about some time in advance however journalists including those from Guido Fawkes were instructed not to release this information into the public domain. Many of the arrests and subsequent jail terms were predicated on people alluding to religiously inspired terrorism which has now been shown to be correct. Political leaders including Nigel Farage and Robert Jenryk called upon the prime minister to divulge all the known information about the case. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.187.173.71 (talk) 18:48, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Are you proposing the above text as a change to the article? We need reliable sources and a neutral point of view. MIDI (talk) 21:48, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"The teenager accused of murdering three young girls in Southport has been charged with producing the poison ricin and possessing a military study of an al-Qaeda training manual."

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c05zpdq0lzgo 2604:2D80:F000:2C00:6DFF:339C:A633:E810 (talk) 19:52, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The article already mentions the new charges. MIDI (talk) 21:48, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

New charges

I've removed the latest charges from the infobox as they're not necessarily part of the attack itself. From [1]: "the ricin and the study of the training manual were found as part of searches of the suspect's house [...] after the stabbings"; "Counter Terrorism Police have not declared the matter a terrorist incident, which would require evidence of a motive to be present". Considering both these quotes, for the time-being we cannot WP:V that Al Qaeda training manual influenced the attack (discounting the terror charge) and we know that the attack was with a bladed article, not ricin (discounting the biological weapon charge). There's no reason to remove this from the "Accused" section, but putting it in the infobox implies a link between the new charges and the attack that we cannot be sure actually exists (WP:SYNTH). MIDI (talk) 21:46, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is appropriate. The article is about the stabbings. S C Cheese (talk) 09:30, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not misinformation after all

The original "misinformation" that caused the riots were claims that the attacker was a Muslim and that the attack was a terror attack. After the new information from the police is out, the "misinformation" turns out to be the truth after all. 2A01:799:1B9B:C300:BC14:F5E5:8B85:5892 (talk) 23:27, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is not a forum. 203.211.72.179 (talk) 01:56, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We can assume that OP wants mentions of misinformation to be edited out. However, there was misinformation with a specific name and migrant (not Muslim) status, and that hasn't been vindicated by the recent news. Unknown Temptation (talk) 11:59, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It was misinformation at the time in that it was the assertion of speculation as fact. Those that had asserted it did not provide verification of it, so it was misinformation. -- DeFacto (talk). 09:55, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Details of the accused

The accused's nationality and place of birth and the nationality of his parents should not be in the lead paragraph. I have checked that all of the details are in the section about the accused and removed them from the lead paragraph, S C Cheese (talk) 09:29, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]