Talk:2023–24 UEFA Women's Nations League A

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Claim of England representing Great Britain

As best as I can tell, this claim is pure conjecture on the part of the article's author as the Home Nations' football associations and FIFA have not made any announcement as such. I do not foresee this happening for the women's team given that no such announcement was made for the men's team and UEFA have confirmed Israel, Spain, and Ukraine as having qualified. — Jkudlick ⚓ (talk) 15:31, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Per the BBC article citied "It is expected that England will be responsible for Great Britain's qualification as the highest ranked nation". Key word here is "expected". Great Britain played in 2020 with England being responsible for qualification as the highest ranked side. An agreement from the 4 FAs allowed Great Britain to compete. Therefore it is a reasonable assumption that they would complete again unless contrary information is provided. This is opposite to the men's team who have most recently NOT competed. Mn1548 (talk) 18:16, 22 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Mn1548: Who is expecting that England will qualify on behalf of Great Britain? That statement is pure conjecture based on "it happened last time." It is not our place to publish assumptions or conjecture; we should publish verifiable fact.

The football associations of England, Northern Ireland, Scotland, and Wales have long bickered over whether playing for Great Britain would affect players' sporting nationality; it also doesn't help that FIFA won't specifically say whether players' sporting nationalities would be affected. 2020 was an anomaly in that the four associations agreed that England would qualify on behalf of Great Britain long before the 2019 Women's World Cup. The proper course for us is to publish the status quo until a formal announcement is made that England is nominated to attempt qualification on behalf of Great Britain, i.e. that England, Scotland, and Wales are ineligible for the Olympics. — Jkudlick ⚓ (talk) 18:53, 22 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The status quo is that the highest ranked home nations is responsible for GB. It's equal speculation to say GB won't participate as much as it is to say they will when nothing is confirmed. They competed last time so if anything it is more likely that they will again. Point is there is nothing on that note to say GB definitely will participate, it just explains that the home nations can't quality and that GB usually qualify like this (aka the status quo). Also we are still in advance of the tournament, so your point about 2019 World Cup is mute. Mn1548 (talk) 19:07, 22 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The first group round matches are next month. Can we agree that if no announcement is made before then that Great Britain will not have a representative team in 2024? — Jkudlick ⚓ (talk) 19:25, 22 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'd say there is no harm in having a balance note that is referenced by a reliable source such as the BBC explaing the situation as it stands until further information is available. Mn1548 (talk) 19:54, 22 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

British Olympic Association website (teamgb.com) supports the claim that England's results in the 2023/24 UWNL count for Olympic qualification, and that the results of Scotland and Wales will be disregarded (link). I think women's football is being treated differently from the men's because the Olympics is a pinnacle for women's football, as it isn't age-restricted, whereas the men's football tournament is less prestiguous and would cause complaints from clubs losing players. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 21:05, 22 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Jmorrison230582: Thank you for the link. I will edit the article accordingly. @Mn1548: courtesy ping. — Jkudlick ⚓ (talk) 21:25, 22 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

From my own understanding of the situation: After being forced to compete as hosts in 2012 there was a desire (mainly from the English FA) to continue this in all future tournaments, so they put together a series of meetings to try and resolve this issues that stopped GB competing in the first place. An agreement was reached for the women's side in advance of 2020 but not for the men's side. After Tokyo Sky Sports reported that talks had started up again for a men's team in 2024 but I can only assume that no agreement was reached as GB would be playing in the men's tournament with England having won the U21 Euros. As for why the women's agreement was made and the men's hasn't yet, probably has something to do with women's tournament not being age restricted as you said therefore more desire from players to compete. Mn1548 (talk) 09:34, 23 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]