Talk:2022 Appalachian floods

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When should this go into main space?

While I don't immediately intend to put this into main space because I don't think it is ready. I am asking for advice on when it would be considered main space ready.

Pinging experienced editors for their take: @Hurricanehink @WeatherWriter @ChrisWx @ChessEric @United States Man 🌀 Hurricane Clyde 🌀 (talk) 17:46, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I know I wasn't pinged, but (in my opinion) it looks pretty good as of right now, with over 40 sources. My articles are usually plagued with issues though, so I wouldn't suggest taking advice from me. Sir MemeGod :D (talk - contribs - created articles) 17:48, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also, if you are unsure, you may want to run it through AfC. Sir MemeGod :D (talk - contribs - created articles) 17:48, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That’s partly why I didn’t ping you (that and the fact that you started editing not long before I registered). 🌀 Hurricane Clyde 🌀 (talk) 17:50, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As badly as I want to take offense to that, I completely get it. I'll step away from this conversation though, but as I said, if you are unsure run it through AfC. Sir MemeGod :D (talk - contribs - created articles) 17:54, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I’m not necessarily asking if it’s ready now (because I don’t think that’s the case; if I were to run it through AFC, it would be denied). What I am asking is when you think (and I want the opinion of multiple people here) when you all think it would be ready to publish? 🌀 Hurricane Clyde 🌀 (talk) 18:04, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not convinced that the article serves the purpose of splitting it off from the existing article. First off, it should be written like other flood articles, having a "meteorological history" separate from "impacts". You should also fix the references first before publishing. Also I'm not sure it should be called "eastern Kentucky flood" when it affected a broader area than just Kentucky. Maybe Appalachian floods? Also, you should find a damage total. There needs to be more on this specific event, and establishing what the event was (was it a cold front? dissipating storm?) Otherwise, the article doesn't really serve any purpose other than going into slightly more detail than what's in the July–August 2022 United States floods. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 18:20, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I’ll probably need help fixing the meteorological history part once I’m done. But I can get the basics. As for the damage total; I don’t know. The Storm Data total is unreliable (and they themselves said that; they said it was likely significantly underestimated, but it’s also been more than a year since I checked, so I could be wrong) 🌀 Hurricane Clyde 🌀 (talk) 18:28, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And I’ll probably need help with the citations. I don’t know which ones have the fatal errors. Although the formatting I can fix with the bot. 🌀 Hurricane Clyde 🌀 (talk) 18:31, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Hurricanehink, have I fixed the meteorological history part good enough? 🌀 Hurricane Clyde 🌀 (talk) 18:37, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also, where would I be able to find the damage estimates? Because Storm Data is significantly underestimating the damage total (they have it wrote down as in the thousands of dollars when we all know good and well it was very likely well into the millions) 🌀 Hurricane Clyde 🌀 (talk) 18:45, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

NCEI estimates the combined damage between Missouri and Kentucky at $1.6 billion, not the best. This gives $450 million. Do some Google searching for various terms like ["Kentucky" "2022" "flood" "damage" "million"]. That's what I did to find the second estimate of $450 million. And yes the met history is off to a good start. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 18:57, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I’m going to use the estimate that you linked for right now (posting the entire range of $450–950 million) and will refine it if I can find another source. 🌀 Hurricane Clyde 🌀 (talk) 19:16, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think it's ready for publishing now. Thanks for adding all of that. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 19:18, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I’m still going to wait and see how the split discussion goes first. I’d like to see at least three people (preferably more) comment on that before I do anything. 🌀 Hurricane Clyde 🌀 (talk) 19:20, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Death toll

There is conflicting information on here as to the death toll. If someone can find sources to clarify the death toll because WYMT-TV says that 45 people died; but they didn't say how many of these were direct and how many were indirect. 🌀 Hurricane Clyde 🌀 (talk) 21:53, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]