Talk:2019 World Pool Masters

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Review: July 28, 2019. (Reviewed version).

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WikiProject Cue sports to-do list:

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Article requests : Lots of high-priority articles need to be created:

List of wanted articles...

Games: A bunch of high-priority game redlinks, e.g. American four-ball billiards (redirs to Four-ball billiards but not specifically covered there)
"Legends": Edwin Kelly, Charlie Peterson (pool player) (all BCA Hall of Famers); George Franklin Slosson, Maurice Daly (billiards player), Frank Ives, George Butler Sutton [not George H. Sutton, the one with no hands]
Male pool bios: Hsia Hui-kai
Female pool bios:
Male three-cushion bios: Dion Nelin & Jozef Bel Philipoom
Female carom bios: Aygen Berk Saygıner
Aristic pool bios: Nick Nikolaidis, Mark Dimick,Sebastian Giumelli, Eric Yow
Unranked in current pool but notable: Mike Eufemia, Shannon Daulton, Jimmy Reid (pool player) [speed pool champ], var. Mosconi Cup players
Non-player figures: Mitch Laurance, George Fels
Five-pins bios: Gustavo Zito
Organizations: Joss Tour
Events: WPA World Nine-ball Championships (pre-1997), BCA Open Nine-ball Championship, World 14.1 Continuous Championship, International Challenge of Champions (pool)
Media and misc.: Iwan Simonis (leading billiard cloth maker), Joss Cues (major cue mfr.), The Baron and the Kid [Johnny Cash film], Ultimate Pool Party [TV show]
And: everyone/thing listed at WP:CUEGAMES, WP:CUEEVENTS, WP:CUEORGS, WP:CUEBIOS, & WP:CUEMISC. Also a Cue sports world records article (many can be pulled from bio articles like Geet Sethi, Guinness Book will provide others, and so will BCA and other orgs., websites and books like Shamos 1999).
Meta: Outline of cue sports (OoK; cf. [1], etc.) – presently redirects to Cue sports, but this is not an OoK page.
Internal pages: Something like: [2][3]). Such pages are not fluff, but can be good places to find recruits for the project, possibly including subject-matter experts, especially if cross-referenced to the project. Also, Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Cue sports (cf. [4][5][6]).

Cleanup : Thomas Engert, Marlon Manalo
Copyedit : Jonni Fulcher
Expand : Cue sports techniques#Carom shots (section needs to exist), Straight pool, Alfredo de Oro,Jeanette Lee (pool player)
NPOV : Andy Segal (major WP:COI and WP:V issues, too), Jose Parica (it's bad!); Efren Reyes, Thomas Engert, Dennis Orcollo, Dick Jaspers
Photo : Category:Wikipedia requested photographs of cue sports and Category:Wikipedia requested photographs of cue sports people
Split : List of World Eight-ball Champions - blackball stuff needs own article {draft split from real eight-ball one (draft).
Stubs : loads of players in Category:Cue sports stubs
Update : Arcade game (link to bagatelle, bar billiards, etc.)
Verify : Cue stick (mostly WP:OR!), Frank Taberski (has major fact conflict between BCA & NYT sourcing), Russian pyramid, add sources to Unreferenced BLPs
Wikify : Chicago (pool), Jonni Fulcher
Other :
- Create timelines, both textual and graphical. See link for various guidelines and examples. We need an overall one for cue sports generally, and more specific ones as we drill down into more specific topics (timeline of nine-ball, timeline of Willie Mosconi's career, etc.).
- Form sections: Exhibition game needs section on cue sports; could later form a new article with "Main article..." xref to it. What other general articles need cue sports sections?
- CopyVio rewrite:
- Clarify: What is the "continuous pool" listed above "14.1 continuous" at Alfredo DeOro?
- Delete or defend:
- Move/Rename (and Redirect):
- Redirect:
- Unorphan:
- Ensure: that rules discussions in game articles & the Billiard techniques article do not violate WP:NOT#IINFO.
- Help fix: WP:CUEBIOS#Pool players (women) is nearly empty!
- Help develop: the lists of WP:CUEORGS and WP:CUEEVENTS
- Images: improve articles with images from commons; create pics and add them to commons as GFDL/CC-by/PD.
- Add: {{Sport overview}} to main articles of cue games that are real sports; medal table tags where they apply (see Ding Junhui for example).
- Insert: Cue sports events (tournament results, etc.) into the "year in sports" categories (e.g. 1965 in sports), using {{subst:Cue sports heading}} if that year doesn't have one yet.
- Change:
- Replace:
- Some day: Seek Featured Topic status.
- Plunder: the French article; it does have some interesting tidbits, structure and images. Check out de.wikipedia, etc., as well.
- Inter-wiki: Improve simple:Billiards and foreign-language key articles.

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GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:2019 World Pool Masters/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: The Rambling Man (talk · contribs) 11:39, 26 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comments let's see if we can make this a decent "gold standard" for pool tournaments... This isn't any old GA review, this is a TRM (tm) review...

Where's the citation for the roman numeral alt-name?
- Done
One para lead feels a little weak, but I'll come back to this and see if we can add a few highlights to bump it up a little...
"between 29–31 March" unnecessarily picky perhaps, but I would say "from 29–31 March" (as I would read the en-dash as a "to").
- Done
" World Pool Masters Tournament" Tournament doesn't appear to be part of its formal name.
- Done - it used to be. Not so much anymore. Changed.
"increased prize money to $100,000" total prize money? And probably should reiterate that it's US$ as the article is international and hosted in Gibraltar, who knows what version of $ it was?
- Done
"Dutchman Niels Feijen defeated Shane Van Boening of the United States in the previous year's final to win the title for the second time in his career, however, Fiejen was defeated in the opening round by Alcaide." reads a bit odd, could say "The reigning champion was Dutchman.... He was knocked out in the opening round by Alcaide..." or similar?
- Done
Tercentenary Sports Hall is only mentioned in the infobox and not referenced.
- Done
"Tournament Summary" (and all subsequent section headings) should be sentence case, i.e. "Tournament summary" (per MOS:HEAD).
- Done
"and organised" would read better either the other way round (i.e. organised first before where) or add "was" between "and" and "organised".
- Done
"eight players to see 24 compete " MOS:NUM cats & dogs, so either 8/24 or eight/twenty-four. Or rephrase and say "an increase from 16 to 24" or something to avoid the potential awkwardness. I don't think you need to state the increase and the new total and the previous total in any case.
- reworded
"Matches for the event will be held as race to 7 " tense issue here, and I suspect that "race to 7" should be hyphenated and even "race to seven frames" or even less jargon-sounding, perhaps "Each match in the event was held as a race to seven racks"?
- Done - Jury is still out on hyphination, I believe. I've seen it more without, and I prefer it without.
races to 8 and 9 -> eight/nine per MOS.
- Done
"The Masters is the first Matchroom Sport event to be scored by cuescore; as part of a multievent deal" was? and not sure I understand "cuescore" is, especially without a link or an explanatory note. And definitely not sure about the use of the semi colon here.
- removed semicolon. It's potentially not important, but it was a thing that got press. I've tried to explain what cuescore is, but it is exactly that, a scoring website Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:19, 26 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
"received a bye past " maybe ENGVAR, but I would say that people receive a bye "for" a particular round.
- Done
"3 and 7 PM" per MOS would use non-breaking space and p.m.#
- I think I've done this right. Not sure. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:19, 26 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Gotta split. More shortly. The Rambling Man (REJOICE!) 12:00, 26 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Me too. Back later,

You link bye the second time round.
" the later commenting" latter.
Merge that and the following sentence to avoid repeating Strickland and commented in quick succession.
"7-4" et seq scorelines should use en-dash.
Ruiz could use some diacritics.
"Jeff de Luna" small d.
"Elsewhere" perhaps more encyclopedic to say "In the remaining preliminary round matches, ..."?
No need to relink CET.
"was defeated 3-7 to 2017" either defeated by or lost to, but not defeated to...
"ladies number 1 Han Yu" probably needs apostrophe on the s of ladies, and I'm almost certain that's not the Han Yu you're looking for...
"Yu would take a " would take->took.
"won 4 racks" four.
"7-6.[16][15] " et seq, refs in numerical order.
"The second session saw", "The match saw..." repetitive.

Another pause, more later. The Rambling Man (REJOICE!) 12:52, 26 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

- All done up to here. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:29, 26 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"first 6 racks" six (et seq).
"before world championship winner" I would spell out which world championship he won rather than pipe it.
"Otherwise," nah, "in the remaining first round matches.."
"allowing Kaci to" preserve and be consistent with diacritics.
"initial two frames were shared at 1-1" you're basically saying the same thing three times here.
"been previous winners of the MVP at the Mosconi Cup event." no need for "event", and link MVP, it's certainly not a common term in BritEng.
"were also played on 31 March 2019 at 7 PM CET" the quarterfinals weren't played at 7pm.
"The semifinals were both played as races to 8 rack matches" would consider merging this into the previous sentence, i.e. "The semifinals, played as races-to-eight rack matches, were..."
"David Alcaide faced Eklant Kaci in the first semifinal. Alcaide reached the final of the event, thanks to a 8-3 win. " Again, merge, "first semifinal, winning 8–3." although a little more detail might be good here as you have more detail on several of the earlier rounds' matches.
"winning all five of the opening racks to lead 5-0" again, I know I'm being mean but you are saying the same thing three times here.
Consider linking "broke" to the glossary of terms.
"Failing a swerve shot, Kazakis took charge " this sounds like Kazakis failed the swerve.
"[4][27][28][20]" numerical order, and I loathe floating references so perhaps have something like "Sources:[4][27][28][20]" or whatever you prefer.
I think you need to apply the usual "flag" fix so we know what these flags mean.
I think the Matt Edwards you link in the prose isn't the Matt you're looking for...
You link Sajich in the results table but not the prose.
Naoyuki Oi is also linked in the results but not the prose, moreover he's missing a diacritic.
The draw could use a key, as I'm assuming the number next to the player indicates their seeding? Also you could use explanation that bold indicates winner of each match.
Any further breakdown of the prize money? Only a quarter going to the eventual winner doesn't seem like much...
Avoid SHOUTING in the refs (e.g. ref 8).
Ref 20 you say "CueScore" is the "work" but it appears that "cuescore" were the "publisher"? I would also check the other refs as typically things like "Sky Sports" would be considered publishers.
A couple of spaced hyphens, refs 21 and 24, should be spaced en-dashes.

That's all I can see for a first run. Let me know when you'd like me to re-assess, in the meantime I'll put it on hold. The Rambling Man (REJOICE!) 15:02, 26 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like there's just a couple things I need to look at - I'll create a prize fund section (I have all of the payouts sourced), and add some info on the two preliminary matches that I missed. I've covered everything else here. I'll give you a ping when I'm done. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:34, 27 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Think I've covered it all now The Rambling Man Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:13, 27 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Second pass:

" was dutchman Niels Feijen " capital D.
- Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:10, 28 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Interestingly you mentioned last year's nationalities in the lead, but not this year's
- Added this year's
"The tournament prize fund was higher than that of previous years," not referenced.
- Does this not come under WP:CALC? The money was higher, but I doubt anyone would comment on this. Or, did you just want a citation for last year's prize money? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:10, 28 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  - Well, considering I don't know what last year's prize money was, nor is it mentioned as far as I can see, it needs referencing here. The Rambling Man (REJOICE!) 19:22, 28 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    - I've added the total amount for the previous year, as well as a citation for such a thing. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:34, 28 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
"Matches for the event will be held " still incorrect tense
- No idea how I missed this - Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:10, 28 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
"The Masters is the first Matchroom Sport event to be scored by cuescore; as part of a multievent deal" definitely no need for the semi-colon.
- Removed Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:10, 28 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
" match.[6][29][30][22]" numerical order please.
- Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:10, 28 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
You repeat some player's nationalities in the Last 16, no need.
- Is this for the draw? Just did that for consistency. Realistically, I don't need to use flagathlete at all after the first use of a flag, but it looks bizarre if it's done only on certain people. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:10, 28 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Both Feijan and Alcaide are noted to have won twice in their careers, but I don't see either of those claims cited inline.
- I'll have a look for some cites. Bear with me. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:10, 28 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  - Not sure I understand this one. I've cited that Feijen won the event twice in the past (which was in the lede), but I'm not sure anywhere I say that Alcaide is a two time champion. I do mention that he won the 2017 event, but I'm pretty sure it says that in the cited source. I'll take another look, but I hope this solves the issues. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:19, 28 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    - Check image caption: "David Alcaide won his second World Pool Masters championship 9–8." The Rambling Man (REJOICE!) 19:21, 28 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
      - Those damned captions! :P. No worries. I'll fix or remove. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:22, 28 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
        Added a cite to the caption. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:34, 28 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
You still have CueScore thus formatted in the references, but you call it "cuescore" in the prose. Be consistent.
- Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:10, 28 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I made a few edits myself... You missed a few of my comments, which is usually why it's a good idea to respond to each one as you complete them... The Rambling Man (REJOICE!) 18:40, 28 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

- Hi The Rambling Man - I think I got it all. There's one I have a question about above, but the rest were relatively easy to solve. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:19, 28 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, it looks just about done now, so I'll pass this right now. Good working with you. The Rambling Man (REJOICE!) 19:37, 28 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Always thorough, and always a learning experience. Thanks for taking a look at this one - pool events are quite niche, even for snooker guys.

Always appreciate your help! Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:39, 28 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I'm happy to take a look at 2017 UK Championship by the way, but suggest you take what you've learnt here to that article before I look at it, there may be quite a few things you can address before I have to point them out again? The Rambling Man (REJOICE!) 19:42, 28 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

- - Thank you! I'll do a massive copyedit for this stuff now. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:45, 28 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    - Give me a shout when you think you're done. Cheers. The Rambling Man (REJOICE!) 19:57, 28 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
      - I think I have it all. I've checked for flagathlete - took a while, MOS:NUM, ref order, and general cleanup. If you want to take a look, I'd appreciate your help, but take your time. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:42, 28 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
        Quick ping - The Rambling Man to make sure you got the message. No rush on it though. I'll make another pass today, but it should be ready for a review. I'm sure I've probably missed loads, but that's pretty normal. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 08:57, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]