Talk:"Superstar" Billy Graham

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"cool heels"

it could be argued that, before the nWo and the Rock, the FOUR HORSEMEN were the most popular cool heels, dating back to the late 80s.

It should be popular heels, not cool heels. 76.110.82.251 (talk) 02:19, 17 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Children?

I know that Billy is married to Valerie but I haven't heard anything about them having children.Does anyone know if they have children since I haven't had a chance to read his book yet? Thanks. (MgTurtle 00:17, 16 July 2007 (UTC)).[reply]

Dead link

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Pythons

His twenty-two inch arms were called "pythons."

Er...pro wrestling commentators often call huge arm muscles "pythons". It has nothing to do uniquely with this character... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.243.195.136 (talk) 11:53, 26 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

- - - Correction -- wrestling commentators TODAY routinely refer to "huge arm muscles" as pythons. But in 1976-1977-1978 it indeed was unusual -- both the reference and the arms were unusual. It is indeed linked to Superstar Billy Graham as a character. Chesspride216.144.161.51 (talk) 21:53, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"Superstar" Billy Graham

Resolved

Move to Billy Graham (wrestler). Same as "Hot Stuff" Eddie Gilbert → Eddie Gilbert (wrestler). --13 of Diamonds (talk) 11:58, 26 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support - Wrestler's article need a uniform naming convention. --Endless Dan 13:39, 27 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support - King iMatthew 20 08 19:22, 27 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support MA TT^talk 19:26, 27 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support - ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 19:30, 27 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support Darrenhusted (talk) 08:25, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support RandySavageFTW (talk) 09:39, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Dead?

At about 3 p.m. today someone changed infobox to reflect a date of death of today (January 28, 2009). No verification was given. Could not find any confirmation online. Malicious edit or foretelling of the future? Davemackey (talk) 00:35, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

World Heavyweight Champion?

Billy Graham was never WORLD Heavyweight Champion. The WWWF Title was a regional championship at that point(1971-1983). —Preceding unsigned comment added by John Pallin (talk • contribs) 08:18, 1 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The WWE/WWf/WWWF title was always a splinter from the NWA World Heavyweight title from the original Buddy Rogers/Lou Thesz controversy in 1963. It was always generally regarded as a legitimate version of the World Heavyweight title and was recognised as a world title by Pro Wrestling Illustrated and its sister publications except for a two year period 1983-1985 which the publishing company has since renounced as a mistake. The night Graham won the title, the defending champion he dethroned, Bruno Sammartino, was announced as "the World Wrestling Champion" by the MC. A title versus title match between Graham and NWA champion Harley Race in January 1978 was heavily promoted as a unification match between two rival World Heavyweight Championship claims, as were subsequent such matchups between Race and Bob Backlund in 1979 and Backlund and Ric Flair in 1982. 62.190.154.115 (talk) 13:35, 12 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

- - let me add weight to this -- yes, WWWF/WWF, NWA and AWA all had "world heavyweight" titles. In each promotion -- the world heavyweight title is the top title. It is not true that NWA was somehow superior to AWA or WWWF in this regard...in other words, there is no such hierarchy. Thus, AWA and WWWF are not simply regional promotions. They are different wrestling universes in a territory-style multi-verse. Both THE Wrestler and Inside Wrestling magazine (and others) referred to all three promotions equally -- giving the three "heavyweight champion" titles equal weight. Thus, Superstar Billy Graham is indeed the 6th heavyweight champion of the WWWF universe (1. Rogers, 2. Sammartino 3. Koloff 4. Morales 5. Stasiak 2. Sammartino 6. SB Graham). Chesspride216.144.161.51 (talk) 21:58, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    "Wrestling universes..??"
    
    Look, the WWWF had rejoined the National Wrestling Alliance in 1971, at which point the NWA asked Vince McMahon to no longer refer to the WWWF title as a world title, since the NWA World title was the only one recognized by NWA members. So the title was downgraded between 1971 and 1983. It always had been a regional title since its inception in 1963 anyway, but it would no longer be officially referred to as a World title until the WWF left the NWA again in 1983. As for the wrestling magazines, they continued to refer to the WWWF title as a world title, mainly because they weren't privy to these behind-the-scenes dealings, and also because they were based in New York, and so the WWWF title was very important to them. 32.220.63.2 (talk) 03:19, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bias

This article is a little biased and very-pro Graham. I had to remove a bit that was an editorial, but it seems that this article is covered with positive editorial about Graham's career. A call for neutrality is recommended. 71.193.123.19 (talk) 23:18, 2 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I noticed that too. I've been cleaning the article up a bit. One length section in particular was written almost as an advertisement.LM2000 (talk) 09:40, 20 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Addtl dead link

As of this date, http://www.superstarbillygraham.net/ contains no original or substantive content regarding this subject. It appears that the website URL is for sale and this page is a placeholder. Kathon (talk) 19:00, 25 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was move per request.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 01:47, 30 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Billy Graham (wrestler) → Superstar Billy Graham – This is a preferred disambiguator to the suffix "(wrestler)" since it will allow more direct linking. While nicknames are not usually included in article titles, Graham's nickname is used so ubiquitously that it is the natural disambiguator (similar to Stone Cold Steve Austin). A search of the Google News Archive returns 128 results for "Superstar Billy Graham" and zero results for "Billy Graham (wrestler)". McPhail (talk) 21:32, 23 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Support as nominator. McPhail (talk) 21:32, 23 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support and Oppose Not the way we generally do it, but it is a very common nickname. InedibleHulk (talk) 21:53, 23 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- huh? Those would be mutually exclusive, so which do you mean? Is it that you like this move in particular, but wanted to state that it is not a categorical support of such moves in the future? I'm genuinely confused. oknazevad (talk) 03:32, 24 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It's like being neutral. But neutral would imply I chose to not decide. I chose both, so I stick in the middle by default. But no, this has nothing to do with other cases. Some I might support, most I definitely wouldn't. InedibleHulk (talk) 05:11, 25 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nominator, as it is a far more natural form of disambiguation. oknazevad (talk) 03:32, 24 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support - the common name is Superstar Billy Graham. Just 33 matches as "Billy Graham", 3 of which were on TV/PPV, this is versus 576 matches as "Superstar Billy Graham", 69 of which were on TV/PPV. Also, just 1 match as Wayne Coleman. It's not as if the page is currently at "Billy Graham", which might allow direct linking, but since it's at "Billy Graham (wrestler)", I just think that it's not as useful or recognizable if people are used to remembering the "Superstar" before "Billy". Starship.paint (talk) 12:13, 24 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support - per nominator.LM2000 (talk) 15:59, 24 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comment the nominator's Google search is very flawed. The evangelist Billy Graham is the meaning of 1/4 of the results -- 65.94.78.70 (talk) 09:03, 26 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- That's simply not true. I looked through the first 10 pages of results for a search for "Superstar Billy Graham" (including the inverted commas) and every single one of the results referred to the wrestler, not the evangelist. McPhail (talk)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Assessment comment

The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:"Superstar" Billy Graham/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.

Poor language (unexplained specialist terminology), needs inline references, too fragmentary. Eixo 14:11, 11 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Last edited at 01:48, 30 November 2013 (UTC). Substituted at 07:21, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

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Picture of the Superstar Billy Graham

http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/%22Superstar%22_Billy_Graham#/media/File:Billy_Graham_vs._Pedro_Morales.jpeg

Is this really a photo of Billy Graham? It looks like The Iron Sheik.2600:1700:4260:35D0:71C2:CB86:FC2B:31E9 (talk) 04:50, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it is Billy Graham, when he returned to the WWF in the early '80s with a different look. 32.220.63.2 (talk) 03:14, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Any articles on the interesting timing of Superstar Billy Graham's feud with "Polish Power" Ivan Putski?

It in fact occurred around the time "Dumb Pollack" was a more commonly mentioned praise by All In The Family patriarch Archie Bunker.Speakfor23 (talk) 00:18, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]