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History of the papacy by period

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I propose the creation of a new category that would have the following as children categories.

1 History of the Papacy (33 - 313) (aka the Apostolic Age)

2 History of the Papacy (314–476) (from the Edict of Milan to the fall of the western Empire)

3 History of the Papacy (477–799) (from the fall of the western Empire to the establishment of the HRE)

4 History of the Papacy (800–1053) (from the establishment of the HRE to the Great Schism)

5 History of the Papacy (1054–1453) (from the Great Schism to the fall of Constantinople)

6 History of the Papacy (1454–1563) (from the fall of Constantinople to the Council of Trent)

7 History of the Papacy (1564–1793) (from the Council of Trent to the French Revolution)

8 History of the Papacy (1794–1928) (from the French Revolution to the Concordat with Mussolini)

9 History of the Papacy (1929–date) ((from the Concordat with Mussolini to date)

Am open to alternative period cut-points, particularly the French Revolution one which is not particularly ecclesiastical but could be said to be the real birth of Modernism. Laurel Lodged (talk) 18:59, 10 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • It's worth a try but we should evaluate afterwards whether these periods have sufficient added value on top of century categories. In other words, is there enough content that goes beyond centuries but stays within the above periods. If we conclude in retrospect there isn't enough of such content we'd better just stick to centuries. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:01, 11 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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1 Agree that the first category should be limited to the Apostolic Age and the Apostolic Fathers. If Polycarp of Smyrna is the last of these, then that brings the range to (33 - 155).
2 So the next range starts at 156. I would be inclined to have this period include the Ante-Nicene Fathers and the Edict of Milan. Though I suppose that the establishment of a cathedra is a defining event for any bishop so I'm OK with terminating the period to just before the establish of the Archbasilica of St. John Lateran in 323. (156 - 323)
3 So the next range starts at 324. I see your point about conflating 4 periods. What about conflating just two of them - the Arian captivity? That would include Odoacer and the Ostrogothic Papacy to 537. (324 - 537)
4 So the next range starts at 538. To include the Catholic period under the Byzantine Papacy and the Frankish Papacy. (538 - 857)
5 Agree the the Great Schism is non negotiable. (858 - 1053)
6 Take your suggestion on board your suggest for the Western Schism, though am tempted to give that a mini period in itself. (1054 - 1417)
7 (1417 - 1534) Includes Luther and the Renaissance Papacy. Agree that it's a good break point.
8 After this, I'm at a loss. I was not happy with the French Revolution but needed some marker for the birth of Modernism. Am open to suggestions. Laurel Lodged (talk) 20:39, 12 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • I think especially in the 19th and 20th century we'd better simply have 19th-century and 20th-century Papacy. For example 1929 seems like a natural cut-off but I'm really not expecting too many articles discussing Papacy until 1929. Marcocapelle (talk) 23:50, 12 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • I see no problem with including Odoacer and the Ostrogoths in the same category. I am a bit less certain about having the Byzantine Popes and the Frankish ones in one category, though I see that the period was relatively short. The Western Schism already has its own category: Category:Western Schism though it could probably use some attention. I like Marcocapelle's idea about a category for 19th century Papacy. I don't thing a separate category for the 20th and 21st century would make sence. The 21st century has seen only 3 Popes and there is not yet any particularly defining event uniting them. Dimadick (talk) 17:34, 13 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]