User talk:Are.u.sure

Hi Alex

December 2016

Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia, your addition of one or more external links to the page Chicago 1885 cholera epidemic myth has been reverted.
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April 2020

Hello, I'm CLCStudent. I wanted to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions to Hospital-acquired infection have been undone because they did not appear constructive. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. If you have any questions, you can ask for assistance at the Teahouse. Thanks. CLCStudent (talk) 15:40, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

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December 2020

Hello. This is a message to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions, such as the edit you made to Killing of George Floyd, did not appear constructive and has been reverted. Please take some time to familiarise yourself with our policies and guidelines. You can find information about these at our welcome page which also provides further information about contributing constructively to this encyclopedia. If you only meant to make test edits, please use your sandbox for that. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you may leave a message on my talk page. Please read the article's FAQ (here) and open a discussion on the article's talk page, seeking a new consensus, if you wish. But unilaterally upending existing consensus is disruptive. Thank you, —MelbourneStar☆^talk 10:46, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

No-one has yet been found guilty of killing George Floyd. If not, then the word 'killing' should be avoided.

There is good evidence that George Floyd's death will be found to be consequent to a fentanyl overdose. I don't think that the article makes this clear.

My source is the following link

https://www.lawofficer.com/thomas-lanes-attorney-files-to-have-case-dismissed-saying-george-floyd-died-of-an-overdose/ Are.u.sure (talk) 21:44, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

That is not a reliable source. In any case, discussions over content should be on the article talk page. O3000 (talk) 22:54, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello, I'm Firestar464. I noticed that you made a comment on the page User talk:EEng that didn't seem very civil, so it may have been removed. Wikipedia is built on collaboration, so it's one of our core principles to interact with one another in a polite and respectful manner. If you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. Firestar464 (talk) 07:50, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

Please do not attack other editors, as you did at User talk:Koncorde. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Accusing him of not knowing what a secondary source is Firestar464 (talk) 05:27, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

Discretionary sanctions alert

This is a standard message to notify contributors about an administrative ruling in effect. It does not imply that there are any issues with your contributions to date.

You have shown interest in articles about living or recently deceased people, and edits relating to the subject (living or recently deceased) of such biographical articles. Due to past disruption in this topic area, a more stringent set of rules called discretionary sanctions is in effect. Any administrator may impose sanctions on editors who do not strictly follow Wikipedia's policies, or the page-specific restrictions, when making edits related to the topic.

For additional information, please see the guidance on discretionary sanctions and the Arbitration Committee's decision here. If you have any questions, or any doubts regarding what edits are appropriate, you are welcome to discuss them with me or any other editor.

O3000 (talk) 18:52, 5 December 2020 (UTC)Template:Z33

Signature

Signatures should be placed at the end, not beginning, of comments. Please fix this. -- Valjean (talk) 15:37, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi Valjean Are.u.sure (talk) 15:43, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

Sockpuppetry

• Are.u.sure (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
• Liondragon360 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Use of multiple accounts is normally not allowed, at least in the way you seem to be doing it. Since this account is the oldest, I suggest you only use this one. We can then blank User:Liondragon360 and leave it dormant. If you don't respond properly and honestly, we will open an SPI on you and both accounts will get blocked. Note that the IPs (and other personal data) behind each account are visible to those editors with check user status, so lying will have very negative consequences for you. -- Valjean (talk) 18:40, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

I don't recognise User: Liondragon360. Could it be something to do with using the Chrome browser on my phone? Are.u.sure (talk) 19:06, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

No, that wouldn't create the account, be British, edit the same article's talk page, sign at the beginning rather than ending of comments, and tag team as if being two different people. No, an SPI would not be good for you. -- Valjean (talk) 19:12, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

I really don't know what you are hinting. It may help you to know that I'm in Poland, sometimes on WiFi and 4G and sometimes only on 4G, roaming from the UK. When I saw the word 'sock' I thought it might be something to do with sockets() on Unix? I haven't edited except at the end.

What's an SPI? Are.u.sure (talk) 19:24, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

I never had other account only 1 account.Liondragon360 (talk) 19:33, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

An SPI is a sock puppet investigation. It's linked above. I see that the user page for Liondragon360 is now tagged as a suspected sock. -- Valjean (talk) 19:35, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

It may help to know that I'm a Three user.

I have added my email, alex.kurucz@gmail.com and can share my location if you want. I'm in Bukowina Tatrzańska, Southern Poland. Are.u.sure (talk) 19:42, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

One comment I'd make about IP address. When I worked in Switzerland over 10 years ago Wikipedia sent me some abuse which they sent to what they claimed was my IP. I had no idea what they were writing about but presumed that it was a result of being on a private network (Nestlé Suisse). Are.u.sure (talk) 19:45, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

I can't log in today

Got a message about my account. My password doesn't work anymore Are.u.sure (talk) 13:28, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

indent

Please read wp:indent.Slatersteven (talk) 16:18, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

George Floyd

I am going to add that you might need to also read wp:bludgeon Given the fact you also do not understand indenting your contributions at the talk page are in fact getting pretty wp:disruptive. I suggest you drop the matter and come back when you are better able to make your case.Slatersteven (talk) 16:27, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

I will second what Slatersteven said. Familiarize yourself with Wikipedia's rules and standards; Competence is required to edit Wikipedia. EvergreenFir (talk) 21:14, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

I mentioned on the article's talk page, and I will reiterate here: further disruption will result in a block. EvergreenFir (talk) 05:05, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

Take heed now and drop it. Go and edit less controversial pages before the ban hammer is wielded.Slatersteven (talk) 11:03, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

'I have been asked to summarise the changes I have asked for.

Title change from Killing of George Floyd to Death of George Floyd References employing killed such as was killed changed to suitable alternatives such as died The facts of the autopsy don't support emphasis on Derek Chauvin's knee. Please shift the emphasis towards those suggested by the autopsy findings A summary of the autopsy results to be placed near the topAre.u.sure (talk) 11:34, 11 December 2020 (UTC) The link: https://m.startribune.com/hennepin-county-commissioner-challenges-reappointment-of-medical-examiner/571146502/ strongly points to attempts to politically manage this case. The article should cover this aspect and downplay the other narratives. I look forward to seeing these improvements.Are.u.sure (talk) 11:40, 11 December 2020 (UTC)' Are.u.sure (talk) 04:04, 12 December 2020 (UTC) Are.u.sure (talk) 04:39, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

getting reverted

Hey, Are.u.sure, I saw the comment on your user page about getting reverted everywhere except chemistry articles. That is very typical when a brand-new user decides they want to edit one of the most contentious articles on the site. It's a terrible idea. The editors at those articles need to have a firm understanding of both policy and behavioral guidelines; even simple things like not understanding how to indent correctly become disruptive very quickly on high-traffic talk pages, which is part of what's happening with your posts at George Floyd. I would very strongly recommend that you learn to edit somewhere besides George Floyd, and chemistry articles are probably a good place. Wikipedia:WikiProject Chemistry and its talk are a good place to figure out where help is needed and find other people interested in working on chemistry articles. —valereee (talk) 12:27, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

I would agree with you if readability on a Talk: page prevented understanding. In this case, probably because the autopsy did not support the impression given by the video, the editors resolved their Cognitive Dissonance by rejecting the autopsy itself, justifying by saying that it was a primary source, not secondary. Wikipedia policy I'd to prefer secondary sources. Are.u.sure (talk) 01:17, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

YOu need to read WP:TENDENTIOUS. Multiple users have asked you to stop, multiple users have told you you are wrong. This is now a last warning. Stop attacking users ability just because they disagree with your wp:or of a wp:primary document.Slatersteven (talk) 10:38, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

'Ability'? How so? Are.u.sure (talk) 11:16, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

"Cognitive Dissonance" for a start.Slatersteven (talk)

Read wp:or, we do not infer what sources say, and read wp:v, they must say it.Slatersteven (talk) 12:00, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

Are.u.sure, Wikipedia guidelines may seem arcane before you understand the philosophy behind their construction and how they guide us in the directions of neutrality and verifiability. Unfortunately, you dove into the deep end of the pool (a highly contentious article) before learning the basics of staying afloat. This is not uncommon. As suggested by others, you would do well to spend some time on less contentious areas until you get the hang of the project. O3000 (talk) 12:57, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

The trouble is that it's often the contentious matters that are the most important.

Thanks Are.u.sure (talk) 13:01, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

'I have been asked to summarise the changes I have asked for.

• Title change from Killing of George Floyd to Death of George Floyd
• References employing killed such as was killed changed to suitable alternatives such as died
• The facts of the autopsy don't support emphasis on Derek Chauvin's knee. Please shift the emphasis towards those suggested by the autopsy findings
• A summary of the autopsy results to be placed near the topAre.u.sure (talk) 11:34, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

The link: https://m.startribune.com/hennepin-county-commissioner-challenges-reappointment-of-medical-examiner/571146502/ strongly points to attempts to politically manage this case. The article should cover this aspect and downplay the other narratives. I look forward to seeing these improvements.Are.u.sure (talk) 11:40, 11 December 2020 (UTC)' Are.u.sure (talk) 04:04, 12 December 2020 (UTC) Are.u.sure (talk) 04:39, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

Not sure who asked you, AUS, but I don't think it was me so not sure why you copied this to my user? I've reformatted this section to show you how indenting works. I know it's difficult for those who are working on a mobile device to learn this and appreciate how important it is, but it really is important to at least try to learn how to do it. Other editors will find you much less annoying. You might look at Smartphone editing for some tips. —valereee (talk) 11:07, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

Thanks Are.u.sure (talk) 14:21, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

Partial Block - December 2020

You have been blocked from editing from certain pages (Talk:Killing of George Floyd and Killing of George Floyd) for a period of 48 hours for Repeated disruption, lack of competence with respect to Wikipedia's standards, and WP:RGW as expressed here. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions.

If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}.  EvergreenFir (talk) 16:15, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

Clarification: This block was meant to be implemented per WP:ARBBLP, not WP:ARBAP2. EvergreenFir (talk) 16:20, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

I have no intention to try to edit the Wikipedia until, at least, Saturday next week. I want to give you time to respond to my suggestions. I will however, respond to any notifications. Are.u.sure (talk) 16:25, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

'I have been asked to summarise the changes I have asked for.

Title change from Killing of George Floyd to Death of George Floyd References employing killed such as was killed changed to suitable alternatives such as died The facts of the autopsy don't support emphasis on Derek Chauvin's knee. Please shift the emphasis towards those suggested by the autopsy findings A summary of the autopsy results to be placed near the topAre.u.sure (talk) 11:34, 11 December 2020 (UTC) The link: https://m.startribune.com/hennepin-county-commissioner-challenges-reappointment-of-medical-examiner/571146502/ strongly points to attempts to politically manage this case. The article should cover this aspect and downplay the other narratives. I look forward to seeing these improvements.Are.u.sure (talk) 11:40, 11 December 2020 (UTC)' Are.u.sure (talk) 04:04, 12 December 2020 (UTC) Are.u.sure (talk) 04:38, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

You've been putting this same comment in a bunch of different places. I don't know if anyone has bothered to explain this in depth, so I will try: you are far from the first person to have an opinion on this issue. In the last few months, there have been enough discussions on the talk page for six entire archives: Talk:Killing of George Floyd/Archive 1, Talk:Killing of George Floyd/Archive 2, Talk:Killing of George Floyd/Archive 3, Talk:Killing of George Floyd/Archive 4, Talk:Killing of George Floyd/Archive 5, Talk:Killing of George Floyd/Archive 6. There are two hundred and ninety seven separate sections in the archives of that talk page. It has been discussed up, down, left, right, sideways, forwards and backwards. The current state of the article reflects a consensus -- have you read the policy about consensus? If not, I strongly urge you to, and gain some understanding of the decision-making process before you attempt to participate in it. jp×g 05:46, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

I know that there are 6 archives. I also know that the 'consensus' is against me. I wasn't asked to consent and no-one has even told me what it might be other than the obvious: they reject the autopsy findings. Are.u.sure (talk) 05:50, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

Well, I'm not going to read through 297 talk page discussions for an article I don't even really want to edit, so I can't tell you "what it might be", because I don't know. But with most controversial political subjects, there are a lot of sources that say one thing, and lots of sources that say the other thing. You offer one source. There are currently two hundred and five references in the article. Do not you see why people have discussions about these things? Have you read pages like WP:RS, WP:PRIMARY, WP:DUE, etc? jp×g 06:34, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

Final warning

I see you are continuing your disruptive editing regarding George Floyd by commenting and copy-pasting comments on other users' talk pages. Stop. You were blocked from Talk:Killing of George Floyd for this very behavior and if you continue that behavior across multiple pages I will site-block you. EvergreenFir (talk) 06:20, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

This page is almost impossible to correct. I understand. Are.u.sure (talk) 06:36, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia pages are certainly under version control. The associated version control number could be tagged onto each article, or hyperlinked to it. The number would give an indication of the number of revisions and editorial conflicts at a glance. Major version numbers would be for 'featured' pages under this system. This would be a good way for a user to evaluate a page's stability and reliability. Can you please look into this? Are.u.sure (talk) 08:32, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

The venue for suggestions like that would be the village pump. Please feel free to suggest your idea there. EvergreenFir (talk) 16:37, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

I have added this suggestion at the Village Pump:

Way to readily see how reliable or controversial a page might be

I have spent a great deal of time recently using a Talk: page to make the case for a basic one word revision and some simple changes to a controversial article. In summary, the page is almost impossible for me to change.

In general, before I place trust in an article or try to edit it I would find it useful to see the revision statistics. In particular, editorial conflicts at a glance. This would be a good way for a me, or a general user, to evaluate a page's stability, and reliability. Are.u.sure (talk) 18:19, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

Needless to say, he didn't make a suggestion about version control on the village pump, but instead restated the arguments that failed on the Floyd talk page. Please don't ask him to ask about the reliability of the source he is pushing at [you know where]. He will just argue his case for his version of the page there as well. --Guy Macon (talk) 01:11, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

If you look again you'll see that my idea stemmed from version control. Are.u.sure (talk) 01:29, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

You are welcomed to create you own WP:FORK of Wikipedia. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 01:46, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

Thank you. I'm writing to lawofficer.com, asking them to do the work for me. Are.u.sure (talk) 01:51, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

@EvergreenFir:, given the edits at [1] IMHO at this point, the p-block should be extended in time and broadly construed, at a min. Enough is enough. IDHT and Rope only go so far. O3000 (talk) 02:09, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

I want a Project Level fork, presuming the George Floyd pages to all be one project. Can one of you please create the fork and let me know when it's done.

Lawofficer.com have about 60 journalists and I imagine that up to 5 will be creating accounts. Please grant them unimpeded access to the project. Are.u.sure (talk) 03:25, 13 December 2020 (UTC)