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Devstacks

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Save for this Pitchfork album review I can't find any WP:significant coverage of this person in reliable sources. Certainly none of the three sources currently in the article qualify as such Mach61 00:39, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Jack C. Mancino

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This article about an Hungarian-born British artist, actor and musician is poorly sourced. Large sections of text are unreferenced. There are seven inline citations, of which five are to IMDb. The one to the Chicago Tribune is geo-locked for me. The other just says "Feszültség és szabadság Lisszabonban", and has been tagged as needing a full citation since 2020. Googling the phrase led me to https://holdkatlan.hu/index.php/szemle/lapszemle/3559-feszultseg-es-szabadsag-lisszabonban which doesn't appear to mention this person, although I do not understand Hungarian. The list of external links doesn't include any reliable sources which could be added as references. I have carried out WP:BEFORE for Jack C. Mancino, Jack Mancino and the alternative name given, Balogh Csaba, and not found references to add. There is an artist called Csaba Balogh who may be notable, but his year and place of birth are different. I don't think this article demonstrates that Mancino meets WP:GNG, WP:ANYBIO, WP:NARTIST, WP:NACTOR or WP:NMUSICIAN. Tacyarg (talk) 18:39, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi! 1. please clarify which "Large sections of text are unreferenced". The newly inserted sections are films and music will be sourced soon. IMDb is a good source for referencing filmographies. Can Soundcloud, Amazon, Spotify or Apple Music or any other streaming site for music be used for referencing discographies? Thank you for helping. 2. It is possible that the owner of the referenced link has changed their site that was correct when it was inserted. This page has been on Wikipedia more than 15 years. Karlmayer5000 (talk) 20:39, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. The whole of the Biography section is unreferenced, as is the sub-section Early classical stage under Work, and the sub-section Music in the section Acting credits and accolades. IMDb is not a reliable source: see WP:IMDb. The other sites you mention are not reliable sources, but I don't believe discographies need sourcing - as with bibliographies, the existence of the works can be assumed. Tacyarg (talk) 21:00, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Glokk40Spaz

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Fails WP:GNG. Laun chba ller 01:48, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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T S Ayyappan

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Fails WP:NSINGER. Subject doesn't appear to be notable enough for a standalone article, and coverage from reliable sources is clearly lacking. CycloneYoris ^talk! 21:56, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep : It is a stub article and I am working on it. Moreover he passes multiple criteria of WP:NSINGER. He has sung in over 20 feature films in various languages for the prominent music composers including A R Rahman under various major record labels and national chart topper songs. He was won major music awards including Dada Saheb Phalke Film Festival Award. He has been featured in Times of India, Indian Express, Malayala Manorama etc. passing the Criteria 1,2,5,6,8, 9 and 10 of WP:NSINGER Taurussun (talk) 03:07, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Matt Hoffland

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Musician that does not meet the requirements of WP:GNG. He's released four albums but the first two were independent releases (the other two are on obscure labels). A Google search finds social media presence but no sign of significant coverage. Pichpich (talk) 18:09, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: As the nom said, I can only locate social media for this person. No media reviews or stories about this person. Not meeting notability. Oaktree b (talk) 18:15, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

GobbleHoof

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The article has merely 2 sentences (for the past 10 years). Not enough reliable, verifiable, independent sources providing enough information to write a reasonably detailed article on the subject. The article seems highly unlikely to grow beyond a stub per WP:PERMASTUB. Rainydaywindows (talk) 06:17, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Meets WP:NBAND bullet 5, having released two albums on New Alliance Records which has an article which shows that they had like 20 blue-linked bands on the label, including Hüsker Dü. I guess that makes them "one of the more important indie labels" which is what WP:NBAND wants. (Info from Discogs.

Also meets WP:GNG which wants two sources that are somewhere north of a passing mention in a single sentence (how far north it doesn't say). Here is bit in Trouser Press which has an article and which even I've heard of, with a full paragraph. Refs indicate that Spin (magazine), famous magazine, is claimed to have some material on the band (Jan 1993 - Page 36 Vol. 8, No. 10)) -- can't tell how much but at least a full sentence, probably more. There is your GNG right there, and to round it out there's a passing mention in The Encyclopedia of Popular Music, and an Italian book ("The Night Elvis Came Out of the Grave"), and another book (" I Found My Friends: The Oral History of Nirvana"). They really just barely pass WP:GNG so it's debatable, but that's just the refs from the article, there might be more out there, and anyway they pass WP:NBAND also. (The article itself is not super great yet but there's enough there to make an acceptable article, couple paragraphs.) Herostratus (talk) 18:47, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Herostratus. I'm just not seeing enough material from which to develop a "reasonably detailed article" – it seems like a classic WP:PERMASTUB. The article has been around for 10 years and hasn't grown beyond a couple of sentences. Even if we could grow it to a couple of paragraphs, I'm not seeing how the article would ever grow beyond a stub short of adding puffery, padding, and undue weight. With borderline notability at best, I'm struggling to see a case to keep it. Rainydaywindows (talk) 05:44, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Leaning towards Keep. Further to the above - I have added citations to the article with non-trivial secondary coverage of the band's work. This includes that notable musician J Mascis played drums on the bands debut EP. I have also identified that Metal Hammer reviewed Freezerburn, but I am unable to source the actual article (see [1]). Sufficient here to build a start class article in my view - and also evidence to presume offline sources do exist. ResonantDis_tortion 11:32, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sarah Corina

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No significant coverage in reliable sources. Easily fails WP:MUSICBIO and now a target of a promotional farm. Even this older version I reverted to might fall into the WP:PROMO category. Jalen Barks (Woof) 05:09, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Fail to meet WP:GNG (WP:MUSICBIO) category. Sources provided in the article fail WP:V with some of them being considered generally unreliable (WP:RSP). Articles available online are mostly user generated content that do not meet WP:RS and WP:IS criteria. QEnigma talk 13:48, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Michael Bowers

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Came across this article when I tried to link Mike Bowers in a draft I'm working on and linked to this instead. BLP article with no sources, appears to be written by someone with a COI given the specificity of some of the details. I did a search for sources and coverage but was unable to find anything. There is another musician with a similar name (Michael D. Bowers) who has some coverage, but that does not appear to be the person this article is about. 🌸⁠wasianpower⁠🌸 (talk • contribs) 22:25, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. Why doesn't the musician "Michael D. Bowers" that you mentioned have his own article if he has some coverage?

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Delete - Lack of reliable sources so we are unable to prove notability. Morogris (✉ • ✎) 00:11, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Nothing found for this singer in my search. Article is largely unsourced, so we have no way of confirming what's correct. Appears to be only a working musician, nothing for our notability purposes. Oaktree b (talk) 01:53, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Cannot find any reliable sources establishing notability. ~Darth Stabro^{Talk • Contribs} 02:18, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bruz Fletcher

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The article was previously deleted; it was ‘Created by a banned or blocked user (CarmenEsparzaAmoux) in violation of ban or block’. Due to this, I also believe the author (Keyofz) should be blocked. Diegg24 (talk) 20:03, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I do not know the user CarmenEsparzaAmoux. I have been creating and editing Wiki pages for 17 years under this ID and have created over 40 new pages. I recently discovered the work of Bruz Fletcher and feel his historical significance is important and merits a Wiki entry. Keyofz (talk) 20:45, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. I would be interested in reading the AFD for the deleted entry and I have no opinion about banning the users mentioned. (Blocks seem out scope for this discussion.) But given that the subject is the focus of at least two historical organizations, an academic journal article, and several contemporary newspaper articles, I think entry meets WP:GNG. -- Jaireeodell (talk) 20:51, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There wasn't an AFD discussion for the previously deleted page. It was deleted under speedy deletion criterion G5. Helpful Raccoon (talk) 21:09, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Article clearly passes GNG, he has just enough coverage in several reliable sources to meet GNG. Noah ^💬 21:52, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - notable. 885 results on Newspapers.com (including [2], [3] and [4]). 18 results on Google Scholar. Add in Google Books. There's enough there. starship.paint (talk / cont) 13:26, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - In agreement with the voters above, though the article's prose needs to be toned down a bit. It appears that the suggestion to block the creator of this version of the article was made without proper investigation. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 16:26, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Having arrived at a consensus on notability, can we please remove the AfD flag? Keyofz (talk) 17:23, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Per the usual procedure, a deletion discussion remains open for one week in case someone comes along with a different argument. An Admin will make a decision around January 5th, and I bet this article will survive. An uninvolved editor could also invoke the snowball clause if it's really obvious, but patience will eventually be rewarded. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 20:05, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, your perspective is appreciated. Have a happy new year. Keyofz (talk) 20:11, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ryan T. Murphy

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This BLP doesn't feel notable enough for inclusion on Wikipedia. BlunanNation (talk) 14:52, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep. He has received non-trivial coverage here and here. According to this deletion discussion, Deseret News is independent enough from the LDS Church to be considered reliable, however this subject has been brought up numerous times, such as this discussion in 2016. I would be lying if I said any sort of consensus has officially been reached. Jordano^5³ 18:50, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I wouldn't call either link as meeting SIGCOV. The former is overwhelmingly of quotes from Murphy, and is plainly an interview of him. The second is a short press release. Ravenswing 20:49, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Tabernacle Choir#Music directors where Murphy is mentioned, with sources and some relevant information which I just added. Couldn't find any additional coverage beyond the one article I included there from Ensign, and I agree with Ravenswing about the lack of SIGCOV from the two Deseret News articles mentioned above. The first piece doesn't even say that much about Murphy, just asks his thoughts on an unrelated incident that happened to take place in his hometown (which of course was a very notable incident, but regardless, the connection is tenuous). Unopposed to a delete without redirect if it is preferred. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 23:28, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Laughing Pizza

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Completely unsourced article. Though the band appears to be somewhat notable, according to a quick online search. CycloneYoris ^talk! 08:29, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Fail to meet WP:NMUSIC and WP:BAND criteria. No sources provided in the article. Sources available online fail WP:RS / WP:IS and does not support content available in the article, i.e., Their music videos were seen every day in over 18 million homes on PBS stations and TV On-Demand. QEnigma talk 14:00, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as the band Laughing Pizza meets WP:GNG and is fixable. Started adding sources (Billboard, Atlanta Journal-Constitution, Wall Street Journal) and removing unverified promotional claims. It will still take a while since there are so many sources in ProQuest alone (expecting to find more via Newspapers.com, Gale, EBSCOhost)...and also because there are so many unsourced claims that need to be vetted. Cielquiparle (talk) 16:09, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: The Atlanta Constitution article now used for sourcing is fine, this in a magazine [5]. I'm assuming the Billboard article is also directly about the band. Oaktree b (talk) 00:47, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Article, Citation and news verified. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hendrea44 (talk • contribs) 01:13, 29 December 2024 (UTC) WP:STRIKESOCK CycloneYoris ^talk! 05:39, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per WP:HEY, sources provided by Cielquiparle are more than enough to show a WP:GNG pass. UpTheOctave! • 8^va? 23:47, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bolâhenk Nuri Bey

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Tagged over a decade ago as uncited and possibly not notable. Article does not exist in Turkish Chidgk1 (talk) 07:01, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Cantata Singers and Ensemble

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Could only find brief concert ads in local newspapers such as The Boston Phoenix. Doesn't seem like there's any substantial coverage of the organization or its history. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 01:13, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. After half an hour of searching, I could not find anything relating to this whatsoever. It doesn't help that there are no sources in the article at all. Honestly I almost voted for Speedy Deletion, but there still isn't anything that would make it worthy of that. AIntrestingGuy (talk) 06:27, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Strong keep: meets WP:GNG. I'm seeing a wealth of coverage, mainly concert reviews but also full articles:

From The Arts Fuse: 1 2 3
From Boston Classical Review: 1 2 3
From The Boston Globe: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8
From The Boston Musical Intelligencer: 1 2 3
From The Hudson Review: 1
From New York Arts: 1

They are mentioned in many of these as one of Boston's premier choral groups (WP:MN#7). I think this is enough evidence to clearly chow WP:SIGCOV. Best, UpTheOctave! • 8^va? 09:44, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Strong keep. I'm not sure how anyone could respond to UpTheOctave's comment except to say "Holy SIGCOV, Batman!" As for MN7, I agree that these sources (as well as various Googleable others) would show the group satisfies that criterion, and would add that the group also satisfies MN5 given their recordings on New World Records and Elektra-Nonesuch Records. Botterweg (talk) 01:54, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe I should add that this was clearly a good faith nomination and that it makes total sense that the nominator's WP:BEFORE search turned up few hits. The group usually uses the shorter name "The Cantata Singers" which is also shared by other less famous groups so it's not the most easily Googlable topic. Botterweg (talk) 01:57, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Miz Ima Starr

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WP:BLP of a cabaret performer, not properly sourced as passing inclusion criteria for performers. As always, people are not automatically entitled to have Wikipedia articles just because they exist, and have to show certain specific markers of achievement sourced to a WP:GNG-worthy depth and volume of third-party coverage in reliable sources -- but the only notability claim in evidence here is that Miz Ima Starr exists, and the article is referenced almost entirely to event calendar listings and the self-published websites of venues where she's performed, which aren't support for notability. The only potentially decent source is one newspaper article that is paywalled even in the Wayback Machine archiving link (meaning I can't actually read it to determine if it supports a meaningful notability claim or not), and isn't enough to singlehandedly vault her over GNG all by itself if it's the only GNG-worthy source she's got.
I'm willing to withdraw this if somebody with better access to archived Australian and New Zealand media than I've got can find enough proper GNG-worthy coverage to salvage it, but nothing stated here is "inherently" notable enough to exempt her from having to have better referencing than this. Bearcat (talk) 16:03, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I agree with you, @Bearcat, that as it stands, it doesn't meet the GNG with reliable and accessible sources.

I had a look at the NZ media and I have found one piece in the PastPaper archive, I haven't been successful finding anything through the NZHerald or Stuff. I have found a passing mention to the Australia's Got Talent semi-finals in a journal article in the European Journal of Cultural Studies here, and a couple of other articles from the Australian Arts Review, Star Observer, and an interview with Joy Media, that I don't see currently referenced in the article. There is also some archival media coverage that I cannot access, such as this. Lastly, there is an IMDB page that has the films produced/directed - although I believe this is a disputed use of this source on Wikipedia, so might be best avoided.

I am not sure whether this will be enough to meet GNG but I am happy to contribute to rewriting and adding these references, if that would help it meet it. Ewhite31 (talk) 12:12, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete none of the references appear to be secondary and provide significant coverage.

I did find one reference that provides that but I don't believe it is reliable enough for a BLP. Traumnovelle (talk) 05:03, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Likely PROMO or COI. DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 10:14, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Walter Irving Scott

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Non-notable magician. No sigcov provided for this story-like article to distinguish it from a hoax. Jdcooper (talk) 01:25, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hakol Over Habibi

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:BLP1E. Source search only shows unreliable sources or brief mentions in reliable sources, and is only notable for their appearance in the Eurovision Song Contest in 1981 (going off the article and sources) and have almost no coverage besides that, can't find anything related to the alleged albums in the article.

Not to mention it's a BLP without any references or external links, which makes it eligible for BLP PRODing. —Sparkle and Fade ^talk_edits 08:59, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect/Merge to Israel in the Eurovision Song Contest 1981. History6042😊 (Contact me) 16:59, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Israel in the Eurovision Song Contest 1981. With the caveat that I cannot read Hebrew, a search gives cursory mentions only in regard to their Eurovision appearance. Merging would not be feasible unless sources are found to support the existing content. UpTheOctave! • 8^va? 20:10, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per caveat mentioned, nice work on finding those sources gidonb! UpTheOctave! • 8^va? 23:34, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Israel in the Eurovision Song Contest 1981. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hendrea44 (talk • contribs) 01:12, 29 December 2024 (UTC) _{CheckUser confirmed sockpuppet (WP:STRIKESOCK) —Sparkle and Fade ^talk_edits 22:57, 29 December 2024 (UTC)}[reply]
Keep. One of Israel's most famous bands of all times. The idea that BLP1E would apply or that this would fail the GNG is awkward. The band has an easy pass of the GNG and BAND #1, #2, #3, #6, #9. This nomination is in clear defiance of NEXIST and suffers from Eurocentrism. The world does not turn around the ESC. This is a simplistic view of pop music. By the same logic, we could also delete Abba. gidonb (talk) 16:58, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

These are sources in the Israeli press. This archive –national– is incomplete. gidonb (talk) 17:51, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for pointing out the somewhat obvious eurocentrism that this generally suffers from (see Wikipedia:Systemic bias.) As I myself am from the west, I don't think I would be particularly fit to find adequate sources for this article, in part because of factors such as language barriers, but also of my own fault. I also want to apologize for thinking BLP1E would apply here, as I only saw (in English sources) about their appearance in the song contest, and I believe I was mistaken. Anyhow, As you've provided several sources and cited them in the article, I'd like to withdraw my nomination as this article meets WP:GNG and very obviously should be kept.

Thanks for your work on the article, Sparkle and Fade ^talk_edits 22:08, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, Sparkle and Fade, and welcome to Wikipedia! gidonb (talk) 07:24, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

West of Scotland Schools Symphony Orchestra

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Last AfD was 17 years ago and no consensus. I'm not seeing any extensive coverage to meet GNG or WP:BAND. LibStar (talk) 18:09, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment - Google Books link above produces false positives only. Google News link above produces single sentence mentions, or people claiming to have been part of the orchestra. Searched The Wikipedia Library, no results for WSSSO, one result for the full name, which is a single sentence mention in this article. Google Scholar produces three results, of which both the second result (download link) and the third result both only mention the orchestra twice while referencing the research done by the first result. The first result is the only SIGCOV I could find. The researchers administered an online survey to 41 WSSSO youth in 2009 containing many Likert-style questions about their experience, and three open-ended questions: "why did you decide to take part ... why do you continue to take part ... what would stop you taking part? The article is entitled "Advanced youth music ensembles: Experiences of, and reasons for, participation", so it seems to discuss the experiences of being in an ensemble, rather than being a comprehensive history of WSSSO. starship.paint (talk / cont) 14:51, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Update - found 32 results on Newspapers.com. First result is SIGCOV, founding of the orchestra. But the rest are more sketchy - advertisements and single sentence mentions (Person X is joining the orchestra / the orchestra is performing at location Y...) Will update my comment later. starship.paint (talk / cont) 03:19, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Already brought to AFD before so not eligible for Soft Deletion.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:41, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Amaire Johnson

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Another case of a songwriter with prolific credits with notable musicians, but who has received little to no coverage of their own. In this case, there is that Visionary Artist Magazine (source I've never heard of and cannot speak to its reliability) piece, though I can only see the first paragraph of it for some reason. But that alone is not a sufficient amount of coverage, and the rest is just Johnson's name being brought up in the context of credits on other artists' songs without any in-depth discussion of Johnson's contributions. None of this applies to NBAND's standards. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 13:38, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Associated with major acts, but nothing strictly about this individual. The NPR and CBC articles are about different people. I'm not seeing enough for notability. Oaktree b (talk) 18:54, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
FYI, the "different people" the NPR and CBC articles discuss are the two acts that employ Amaire Johnson as a music director: rappers Big Sean and Ab-soul. The CBC article confirms that Amaire was signed to Big Sean's label once Big Sean began to separate himself from Kanye West and establish an independent label imprint, and the NPR articles reveal that Amaire was tasked with music direction and/or performance for both rappers on their respective acclaimed Tiny Desk appearances. Trainsskyscrapers (talk) 19:21, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, but the point Oaktree is making is that the subjects of those articles are Big Sean and Ab-Soul, not Amaire Johnson, and that Johnson is only mentioned once by name in the CBC article and only in the credits for the NPR performances. These are passing mentions. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 19:46, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Sources show that the subject is notable. Esti92 (talk) 17:54, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In what way, especially that contradicts what Oaktree and I wrote above? Note that no additional sources have been added since I initiated this discussion, just Category:Year of birth missing (living people). QuietHere (talk | contributions) 18:03, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hey. Took a little break for Christmas and just found out that you nominated this article for deletion. Added a few additional supporting sources, more categories, and made some needed copyedit "tweaks". I'll keep you posted on future changes. Trainsskyscrapers (talk) 15:53, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Second ever edit of Esti92. Geschichte (talk) 20:14, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Zorch

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seems to fail gng by... a lot. according to a previous afd, they might be notable, but the complete lack of sources, inappropriate external links (why myspace?), and the fact that results have become an unusable mush of miscellaneous companies, cryptobro jargon, pizzerias, and chex quest jokes lead me to believe that a tnt is due, and there's only a chance that it will get recreated consarn _{(formerly cogsan)} 18:00, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Clearly fails all criteria on NMusician. No evidence of passing GNG either, I can't find any evidence of the existence of the band in major English or Ameican press.

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Jms Brynt

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Very minor, likely non-notable SoundCloud/Bandcamp musician. Based off the sources, the article probably meets WP:SIGCOV, however these are articles which themselves either imply that the subject is not notable or only note that the artist has released music. For example, the Earmilk source describes him as an "artist to watch". Waddles 🗩 🖉 00:02, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment - GoodMusicRadar doesn't have any author credits or seemingly that much info on the ownership, Earmilk appear to be a more professional operation and there was an article on it until literally a few days ago, the Cultr piece lists an author with no bio and I can find no info on the ownership on site (if anyone knows if its reliable, please tell) Iostn (talk) 19:35, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: couldn't find enough reliable sources to satisfy WP:GNG and merit an article. Rainydaywindows (talk) 07:48, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - complete vanity spam sourced to blackhat seo and nothing in the way of actual independent, reliable sourdes or coverage id also recommend the crestor thoroughly read thr paid editing policy before continuing to spam their clients. Admins, please see the hisotry of James Brynt as well. GRINCHIDICAE🎄 19:45, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Kevin Kade

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non-notable musician, sourced entirely to blackhat SEO and the same "source". GRINCHIDICAE🎄 16:55, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep, There's reporting on him from The New Times and so I added it in and he seems like a notable musician in Rwanda. He has a good career as a musician being both a solo artist and being reported by The New Times is very remarkable. Vikingsam (talk) 19:46, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: The New Times is giving me pause; it feels like the coverage in Indian or Nigerian media, where it seems everyone is a superstar, but no one else bothers to report on their accomplishments. Way too many hits in the one newspaper for this to be a coincidence... Feels like a PROMO. I'm happy to be proven incorrect, but that's the impression I'm getting. Oaktree b (talk) 21:35, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment (I already !voted keep above) I think this hinges on if The New Times is a reliable source. I honestly don't know. Here's what I can ascertain:

It's the first listed newspapers on BBC for Rwanda newspapers https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-14093244
The Wikipedia article and the BBC note it's proximity to government
Of course, plenty reliable sources are proximate to government, BBC, CBC, Al Jazeera, although I would suggest The New Times is not a reliable source for Rwandan politics.
The Wikipedia WP:RSPSS noticeboard is silent on The New Times. A search of the archive reveals nothing.

So my question is: does anyone have any evidence, any reason to assume it's a bad source? Vikingsam (talk) 11:05, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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New times as a reliable source

Rwandan in Rwanda here, new times is the only relevant news source that cares about the entertainment industry, it MIGHT be promo but that doesn't make it any less valid imo. Foundalive (talk) 23:41, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I do not know how the media system in Rwanda works but I think that the onus probandi lies on us to prove that The New Times is an unreliable source. Away from that, I was able to find sources from other outlets but the problem is, they’re not in English and I do not have the fortune of understanding the language. Reading Beans, Duke of Rivia 13:01, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Here are the sources:
- Janvier, Ruzindana (22 November 2023). "Kevin Kade yateguje Album ye ya mbere yise 'Baho' na". Kigali Today.
- "Kevin Kade yateguje indirimbo nshya n'imishinga afitanye n'abarimo Jux". Rwanda Broadcasting Agency. 12 May 2024.
- Emmy, Nsengiyumva (24 September 2024). "Kevin Kade agiye gutangira ibitaramo hanze y'u Rwanda". Igihe.
- This is passing mention: Adhis, Paula (17 December 2024). "The Best East African Songs of 2024". OkayAfrica.
I am not making any !vote. Just an observation. It appears that majority of newspapers in Rwanda uses their language and The New Times seems to be the major English language source from there. Best, Reading Beans, Duke of Rivia 13:21, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete but not because of the New Times, which is a reliable source. It's got independent reporting, robust editorial standards, and is one of the best English-language news sources in East Africa; Wikipedia would be a lot poorer if we decided not to rely on it. (If editors are concerned about it, I recommend starting an RfC at WP:RSN.) However, the only WP:SIGCOV sources in this article are from the New Times, which constitute a single source for purposes of WP:GNG. The other sources in the article are insufficiently significant. Dclemens1971 (talk) 20:48, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Despite most of its sources are in Kinyarwanda, and editors started seeing the page as a single source for purposes of WP:GNG because of the New Times, by search, the subject has featured at least in 4 out of 5 in the first listed online newspapers on BBC for Rwanda newspapers.

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Shugavybz

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Yet another article on a musician who has done literally nothing notable to pass WP:NMUSICIAN. Sources from here and a cursory search suggests nothing useful. They're either interviews with the subject, or routine coverages that are entirely dependent on the subject. This is, as usual, a properly written article from the author on a non-notable musician to pretend notability. Also, the TurnTable Certification System of Nigeria is dubious in its entirety. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 12:42, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Most of the sources are either puff pieces that are meant to confer notability on him or interviews. Ibjaja055 (talk) 21:17, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Has written more than one major hit record, automatically meets WP:COMPOSER, just like a scriptwriter or director who has directed multiple award-winning movies. Even if he doesn't pass GNG, but passes WP:FILMS, he automatically establishes notability. Likewise he passes WP:ANYBIO, with a special recognition from The Recording Academy as a composer. One last thing, I would say the coverage for example [6], [7], [8], [9], [10], add up to a GNG pass, with an extensive list of production and songwriting credits from "No Girlfriend No Problem", "Away", "One Side", "Yawa No Dey End", "My Baby", and many more.--Afí-afeti (talk) 09:35, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Per my comment.--Afí-afeti (talk) 08:13, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per Afi-Afeti, he doesn't meet WP:NMUSICIAN but he does meet WP:COMPOSER. History6042😊 (Contact me) 16:01, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Afí-afeti presented a very compelling argument. The reliability of some of the sources are questionable but the album nomination for the 66th Annual Grammy Awards can be verfied easily which at least means he meets the notability criteria at least as a composer. FuzzyMagma (talk) 10:27, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@FuzzyMagma I’m sorry, but I do not see and cannot comprehend how having a Grammy nom (and not win) helps this subject to pass WP:COMPOSER. There’s absolutely nothing that implies an NCOMPOSER pass here. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 16:14, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Per point presented by Fuzzymama and Afi-Afeti Tesleemah (talk) 13:13, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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