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quick revision deletion request

hello, A pretty bad edit was made on Bird-of-Paradise, as seen here: http://en.wiki.x.io/w/index.php?title=Bird-of-paradise&diff=prev&oldid=1239026637. I think it's worth a revdel. Gaismagorm (talk) 23:31, 6 August 2024 (UTC)

Done, thank you. Vanamonde93 (talk) 15:42, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
no problem! Gaismagorm (talk) 15:42, 7 August 2024 (UTC)

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Thanks Netherzone, received. I'll reply as soon as I'm able. Vanamonde93 (talk) 20:37, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

KlayCax Tban

Hello. I see that you gave KlayCax a topic ban and a warning about infoboxes. I was just wondering if you were going to formally post a notice on their talk page about the topic ban, and a infobox warning notice as well. Prcc27 (talk) 08:11, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the reminder, I seem to have let it drop amidst all the logging and closing. Now done. Vanamonde93 (talk) 15:42, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Adminship

Hi Vanamonde,

I want to request for adminship.

Sincerely,

कङञ@Vanamonde93 कङञ (talk) 14:26, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) @कङञ: You have 79 edits and are still very much a newcomer to the site. I'd suggest gaining more experience before asking people about that path. Successful admins have usually spent years editing and have thousands of edits to their name. I'd just focus on improving articles that interest you which is what we're really about. You don't need adminship for that. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 14:30, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi Vanamonde. I'm still working on Jehovah's Witnesses but it's in much better shape than it was when I first started rewriting it two years ago. [1] I think I'm getting closer to where I could start the FAC process, though? There's still some stuff I'd like to do before I even start that (see my sandbox) and this will probably involve several more hours of work. But when I feel like I've done the best I can, would you be willing to provide advice? I've never tried to write an FA before and I realize this is an ambitious first. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 17:51, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi Clover, it is a little outside my wheelhouse but it would be my pleasure. It's a large undertaking, so thank you for doing that. Vanamonde93 (talk) 18:03, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
I'll get back to you when I've done everything I can think of to improve the article then. Thank you! Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 18:07, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

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Thanks. Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 17:21, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

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AE appeal

Hey, just notifying that I've filed an appeal of the enforcement decision you adjusted a whole back. You can find the discussion here. Toa Nidhiki05 12:42, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

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Left Hand of Darkness

Greetings and Felicitations - small detail here - the book in question is a great book - I read it numerous times, love the book, the topic the themes. Is it the BEST book ever of this style - well the single citation thinks so, but this is not really NPOV or balanced. I'm just being thoughtful. Happy to chat on the matter - no edit warring stuff. I added language that is more balanced - often wonder why it was never a movie - love her work. CautionaryNote1990 (talk) 13:22, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

Vanamonde, I've blocked the OP as a sock. The master is stale, but it wouldn't surprise me if there were other accounts that have gone undetected - you might wish to consider checking.--Bbb23 (talk) 13:36, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
Thanks Bbb23 - I think I'm in the clear here but I don't think I should make a habit of checking accounts I reverted on articles I wrote. Would you mind kicking this to SPI if you think a check is needed? Vanamonde93 (talk) 14:43, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
Understood, but I don't think I'll file at SPI.--Bbb23 (talk) 14:58, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

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O.maximov turned out to be a sock

http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement/Archive338#O.maximov Doug Weller talk 09:35, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. He's clearly putting a lot of effort into obfuscating his experience. Vanamonde93 (talk) 15:18, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

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Topic ban

Hi over a two and a half years ago you and others voted to topic ban me from the topic you well know about. I haven't been the same since on here, and the mistreatment I felt I received has put me off working as hard as I normally might have. Can you please request to reverse the sanctions placed on me. I haven't even looked at any related articles since, and I would promise as I did before to stay away from editing related articles. ♦ Dr. Blofeld 16:13, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

I'm sorry to hear you're not feeling motivated, but I can't file an appeal for you; we don't permit third-party appeals. You will need to appeal your sanction, at AE or ARCA. And you will need to convince us that you will commit to editing within policy, regardless of your personal views on the topic. Vanamonde93 (talk) 16:25, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

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Just a note, no followup needed

Thanks for your comment, and for taking the trouble to read through the background.

yes, it's boring to stick narrowly to source material, but that's what editing a CT on Wikipedia requires.

The page where I cited that joke, like a very large number of IP pages, is marked precisely by too many editors not sticking to the source material, but talking their way around it, in many cases, documentably, without even troubling themselves to read those sources. This is the curse of that area. Best regards Nishidani (talk) 06:37, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

I don't disagree, Nishidani, and I've gone on record several times that editors ignoring or misusing source material are the most serious form of disruption we face in several CTs. But responding with strong language - or other rhetoric - makes it near impossible to deal with that problem. I hope to see you around. Vanamonde93 (talk) 16:30, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
I'm extremely careful about language. Any practiced writer knows that every word that comes to mind opens up several options, each one potentially riding off in a different direction. And the art one learns consists of herding them along, thinning out the the limper or rebarbative or untamable ones, until the remainder can be corraled into a sentence that best suits the desired intended meaning. The premise of focused writing is that the mind must, in short, conduct a dialogue with itself as it oversees the surge of language, before speaking to an other.
My use of that joke was not rhetorical in the detrimental sense of that word: (Brian Vickers has a wonderful book on the abused term showing how central it was to civilized discourse traditionally). In theory, everything said can be parsed in terms of rhetoric's extensive taxinomy. A completely innocuous note can be heard/read (as often in conversation when it was an art), beyond whatever its author's intention, to yield up a tone of crassness, Schadenfreude, contempt, an ironic smirk, etc. seething between the simple form of a straightforward to-and-fro of chatting That is why we read novels: the best authors thrive deliciously on ambiguities intrinsic to language's mischievous playfulness.
Rhetoric doesn't, in this high sense, mean a kind of disingenuous verbal posturing to achieve, cynically, a contrived effect. In the disputed edit, I underlined my view by citing an academic source, so that what I said wouldn't be dismissed as some off-the-top of the head opinion (which is mostly what happens on talk pages). I added the joke as an 'illustrative' afterthought to, I thought, gentle the laborious academic source's thrust by something that would appeal to commonsense.
Jokes are deep, far too complex in their compact, unpacked laconic insights into culture and psychology, to be shrugged off (not that you were doing this in choosing the term) as 'rhetorical'. For me, rhetoric in the modern sense is a damaged good monopolized by politicians and their journalistic sutlers, used cynically to persuade others of something the speakers may not even quite believe or even think. (if thinking is appropriate to describe the thoughtless 'weaponization' of words to win an argument, or blindside one's interlocutor, or spellbind an audience).
A good many AE cases against me, and there are many, have pivoted on taking anything I write that goes beyond what Miss Manners would say to her daughter as 'intemperate', 'inflammatory', 'antisemitic' or whatever. And most did not achieve their end when the issue was laid before peers for a judgment. I admit I have been exasperated at times but that has not been the norm, quite rare in fact. At least five stick in my craw, because they arose, not from the animosity of editors, but from admins who failed to read correctly what I'd written, and rushed to a sanction. Most were overturned within a day or two when the misprision, or failure to catch the irony, was explained (often by others). I have consistently said when that happened, once the issue was cleared, that I don't fault the admins in question (save in one case). For the simple reason that, were I placed in their position, with that terrible fardel of having to read a huge amount of indifferent prose and random argufying, I would throw up my hands in despair. I admire them for that unthankful task and consider that flawed moments of judgment cannot but crop up, even with the best of wills, due to the rapid nature of wikipedia talking.
This margin is greater the greater the conflictual reality we strive to represent in 'contentious' topic areas. In that area, my concern from the beginning has been a systemic bias that saps NPOV. Precisely because we all have, or should have, after the Holocaust, antennae fine-tuned to antisemitism, a mainstream tendency has arisen which, in conflating Israel a nation-state with Jews as one coherent identity, has engendered a hypersensitivity to the one, the political reality that, properly, should be reserved rather for our regard for every single Jew. But when two peoples are in a chronic state of conflict, our sensitivities cannot be unilateral. One cannot allow oneself to indulge in hypersensivity for one side's dignity or image, while tacitly ignoring the right to a claim on our sensitivities by the other party. It violates NPOV structurally. That is why, apart from trying to ensure a fair representation for the silenced party, I nonetheless wrote a good many complex articles on aspects of Jewish culture, and have advised all editors to prove their impartiality, whatever their POVs, to write up articles that bear on both worlds, preferably unrelated to politics.
But - if TLDR hasn't kicked in - finally, the sanction, which I take to be just one more instance of a hasty ergo flawed judgment, tells me two things. One, that a further precedent has been established that, inadvertently, will ease work for the ingrained habit of hawkish editors who comb minutely my every edit, to find even more proof for more such cases at ANI/AE in the future. 8 times this year (August 23-October 24) someone, half of them socks, have managed to get the ear of admins to complain. All failed except for the 'raising the temperature 'no-smoke-without-fire syndrome effect' which, ultimately, I believe, kicked in here. Secondly, per my remarks on language and rhetoric, I realize that I am simply not cut out for contributing to wikipedia if the care I exert to get things right so often leads to misunderstandings. So I am closing shop. Yesterday, when I decided to abandon a place I love, I felt relief, and I spent an enjoyable afternoon talking with an archaeologist about Romulus and Remus, and obscure figures like Caeculus, without a thought for the responsibilities I once assumed as a daily tithing of my time, to try and do a little to lower the tone and reality of violence which afflicts our world. My very best regards then, and keep up the good work.Nishidani (talk) 20:52, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
My regards to you too. You will understand that I can't opine directly on a lot of what you have said, but I do acknowledge our weakness in dispute resolution of focusing on presentation over substance - that is, language over content. I will not say language isn't important, but it's not the only problem, but it's the easiest to police. Vanamonde93 (talk) 23:10, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

A Wizard of Earthsea

Hey, I learned that this book made it to featured article status with your help. I read parts of The Books of Earthsea: The Complete Illustrated Edition about a year or two ago, and I convinced my dad to pick it up last week and read the first story. Just wanted to leave a brief thanks I guess? It's really something special to see something like that get the recognition it deserves. Though I doubt I'd ever be able to write something that well, I'd really like to extend some gratitude to people like you who can write on broad topics like that. It really means a lot to me. Fathoms Below (talk) 13:52, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

That's very kind of you, Fathoms Below. It was a pleasure to work on and I'm glad you enjoyed reading it. It's been my ambition to get the first trilogy entirely to FA status. Someday, perhaps. Vanamonde93 (talk) 15:12, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

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Sanction

Hey, Vanamonde. Regarding the topic ban, I didn't engage in the talk page much as I didn't have a strong opinion on either arguments, and the two reverts that followed (here and here) were only made to have the disputed content in status quo until the closure of the WP:RFC, as per WP:STATUS QUO. I admit that the last block was warranted considering my edits were against editorial and community consensus, and would be described as treating Wikipedia as a battleground. However, with the most recent edits, I truly had no intention of causing that, and I'm sorry; thus, I ask for a second and last chance, and pledge to be more careful moving forward. Thank you. Snowstormfigorion (talk) 06:52, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

I'm sorry but I do not find that convincing. You didn't simply revert in disputed content - you reverted in a version where verifiability was in dispute, and then reverted a failed verification tag, which is in no way covered by STATUSQUO. And you did this despite the verification issue having been discussed on the talk page, and after you were pinged to that discussion. That is not behavior compatible with editing in a contentious topic. Especially considering you have a previous block from the same page, and a lengthy list of warnings for edit-warring, I will not be lifting this TBAN. You may appeal it at AE or AN in the usual way. Vanamonde93 (talk) 15:58, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
The verification concerns I genuinely thought to be a matter of debate between the two sides, and not an agreed upon aspect. I messed up these two edits, but I truly and wholeheartedly give you my word to be most careful and avoid these mishaps in the future. I've been on Wikipedia for just over a year, and in that time frame I have admittedly made mistakes, but I'm learning, day by day. So, please, I ask for a last and final chance, where I will prove to you the former. Snowstormfigorion (talk) 14:46, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
You're missing the point in multiple ways, I'm afraid. I take no personal position on the verification concerns, but they had been accepted by someone making the same revert as you. You were also pinged to the talk page and specifically told you had reverted in misinformation, and subsequent to that you chose to remove a tag without participating. There's so many things wrong there that I'm not going to grant an appeal. Vanamonde93 (talk) 15:28, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

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Hi Vanamonde -- Your recent response to the latest oppose seems to me (admittedly biased) to fall towards badgering. Can't we just let the process run -- the candidate seems plainly heading for election -- and just correct clear mis-statements, particularly where admin tools are necessary to do so? Writing here to minimise drama. Additionally @ScottishFinnishRadish: Regards, Espresso Addict (talk) 00:41, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

Is your concern this edit? I don't think there's anything there that isn't directly addressing the substance of the oppose. I agree that it probably won't make a difference, and I believe another supporter already addressed that oppose, but I wouldn't take any action at this point. I appreciate you coming to a talk page to prevent drama. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 00:49, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
ScottishFinnishRadish That was the edit, yes. I think it would be acceptable for a general editor but I feel nominators should hold back from making such comments. It's clear that they support the candidate, and find their content contributions adequate -- they nominated them and mentioned their content contributions in the nomination rationale. I wish it were possible just to vote/comment (either way) and have only factual inaccuracies challenged or clear attacks removed, especially in an RfA where the outcome has seemed pretty clear from the outset. Regards, Espresso Addict (talk) 01:48, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
Espresso Addict I do as a rule try to contain myself - obviously, by definition, I disagree with every oppose at least in a matter of degree. I do believe factual inaccuracy should be called out though - the oppose section of an RFA is no exception to that. Stating that Voorts had insufficient experience with content creation is in my view very far removed from a reasonable judgement, not very different from the other oppose that you and I both responded to. I don't intend to pursue it any further. Vanamonde93 (talk) 03:56, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
I think there's an obvious difference between audited content (eg featured articles) and creating new content (eg short articles), per discussion under neutral comment of ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ, and that the oppose comment is attempting to articulate that, and is not in any way unreasonable or inaccurate. But hey, maybe I'm just having a bad day. Espresso Addict (talk) 04:04, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
There is a difference, certainly, but also considerable overlap. But in any case, I was responding largely because that !voter has a history of opposing based on a generic lack of content, and I saw what I believe was inconsistency rather than simply a matter of judgement. Vanamonde93 (talk) 04:12, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

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