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dyk

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Hey, Epicgenius! So here's the thing about dyk: if you haven't created preps, you have no idea what prep-setters and admins at dyk do or what challenges they face. Many editors who are regular nominators and reviewers think they'd be willing to admin, but have never filled preps, and when they become admins and start moving preps to queues, they quickly realize they didn't know what they were volunteering for. A prep-setter doesn't just create a balanced set. They also do a quick re-review on many of the hooks; you get to know whose hooks you don't have to review too heavily, but you always have to at least go check for a recent edit war or tags. If the nominator or the reviewer are new or known to be sloppy, you'll have to do a full re-review of that hook. Often prep-setters have questions they have to ask at the hook, and they deal with pushback from noms/reviewers/passersby for that. Then once you've finished a prep you have to deal with fallout at DYK talk and ERRORS. Admins do the exact same thing -- a re-review, because prep-setters miss things too, then the move (fairly simple), posting questions at DYK talk and pinging involved parties, dealing with pushback from them, and finally any fallout at ERRORS when someone finds an error you missed. So if you think you would be willing to admin at dyk, definitely go fill preps for a while to see if you like it or not. Some people love it -- I did, and I like adminning there -- but not everyone is cut out for it. It's a high-visibility job. People catch your mistakes, and the only way to prevent that is to catch other people's mistakes first. —valereee (talk) 15:20, 5 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Valereee, thanks for the advice. That is good to know. I think this sort of stuff should be enjoyable for me, even if a bit difficult. I just read the project page on prep areas, and it seems a bit difficult to get a good balance on hooks. epicgenius (talk) 15:23, 5 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
That's one of the most fun parts of setting preps. The thing to do for your first prep is pick the bottom empty set (which right now gives you three days to fill it but normally six days.) Count to figure out whether the image hook needs a bio or a non-bio (it alternates by day). Go find one, vet it, and transfer it. That'll let the other prep setters know you'll fill that set. Not that they or an admin won't move stuff in and out if they need it or think another set is better for that hook, but in general one prep-setter works on a set. Then start putting the puzzle together -- no more than four bios (alternating in the set with non-bio), no more than one music/science/military/whatever subject. Not too many from any one country, though 2 - 4 USA hooks will be necessary. A balance of geographical area, not all from English-speaking countries. A balance of long and short. And of course a quirky. It's an art. Don't be afraid to trim or tweak hooks, but read the nom first if you do, as there may have already been discussion. Keep on top of talk in case someone asks a question about one of the hooks in that set, because some people won't realize they need to ping you as the promoter. :) Ping me any time, and Yoninah will often leave pointers on how to improve at your talk. When she stops, you know you're getting near the point of competence. :) —valereee (talk) 15:47, 5 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Happy Holidays

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Peace is a state of balance and understanding in yourself and between others, where respect is gained by the acceptance of differences, tolerance persists, conflicts are resolved through dialog, people's rights are respected and their voices are heard, and everyone is at their highest point of serenity without social tension. Happy Holidays to you and yours. ―Buster7 ☎

Updating the complex articles (since they are all extremely short)

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1 World Trade Center

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  • Needs history section
  • Needs design section, which I will write shortly
  • Needs destruction section
  • "List of tenants" may need to be split to a separate article due to length
  • "92nd Floor" section needs removed and incorporated into above "Destruction" section

2 World Trade Center

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  • Needs history section
  • Needs design section
  • Needs destruction section
  • Potentially needs rewrite, after reading it I spotted a few errors

3 World Trade Center

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  • Actually has a history section, but needs expanded
  • Rewrite Destruction section
  • May need a "design" section

4 World Trade Center

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  • Has history and destruction sections
  • Both need expanded
  • More images needed

5 World Trade Center

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  • Half of the article is about 9/11, meaning half of the article is about 1 day when the structure existed for 31 years
  • Needs a design section
  • Either the gallery section needs removed or expanded to comply with MOS, it's currently just 3 images chilling around

6 World Trade Center

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7 World Trade Center

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  • Needs architecture section
  • Needs more history pre-2001
  • The destruction section may need to be summarized per WP:SUMSTYLE

I added the above subheaders just in case we need a list of things to do. :) Sir MemeGod :D (talk - contribs - created articles) 16:36, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Sir MemeGod: Thanks for starting this section. I might move this to User:Epicgenius/sandbox/to do when we're done figuring out what to do (since idk where else to put it). Epicgenius (talk) 16:41, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
By the way, Construction of the World Trade Center has some info about the Twin Towers' structural design, so we can copy some of the relevant info into these articles. – Epicgenius (talk) 16:46, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for 1500 Broadway

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On 7 September 2024, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article 1500 Broadway, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that an office building on New York City's Times Square was almost entirely vacant upon its completion? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/1500 Broadway. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, 1500 Broadway), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

BorgQueen (talk) 00:03, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hall of Science

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Can I just say wow? Had it on my list to address at some point, but never imagined that scope. Well done! Star Mississippi 02:12, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Star Mississippi, thanks! I appreciate it. – Epicgenius (talk) 02:20, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Guggenheim museum

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What do you think of this edit and the ref cited. Feel free to respond to it or, otherwise, please let me know your position on it. Do you believe that the edit accurately characterizes the Atlantic article and that the law firm's investigation, cited to a "Statement of the Board of Trustees" of the museum should be accepted as fully independent/reliable? -- Ssilvers (talk) 04:28, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Ssilvers, thanks for bringing this up. The source says Had the museum looked more closely at LaBouvier’s feed, its board might have seen her complaints as part of a long-standing pattern of excoriating others who were interested in Defacement or Basquiat, even when they sought out her opinion.. It does not specifically say that she had a "long-standing pattern of excoriating others", as the edit does; the source says that the board might have seen LaBouvier's activity that way based on her social media posting, without weighing in on whether that's actually true.
I am also skeptical about citing the law firm's statement to a press release published by the foundation, especially as it's a primary source. – Epicgenius (talk) 14:08, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Though, on further investigation, the "excoriation" could be more accurately described as hostility, and an existing NY Times source does include the quote from the law firm, so I've reworded it. – Epicgenius (talk) 14:13, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The law firm was hired by the museum, so the "independence" of its investigation is questionable. I've clarified this, but the NYT article is behind their paywall. Do they discuss the independence of the "investigation"? -- Ssilvers (talk) 17:29, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Here is a paywall-free version of that link. I couldn't find anything in the article that mentions exactly how the investigation is independent, though; the article only says that it was an "independent investigation" without clarifying further. – Epicgenius (talk) 18:19, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It says "The museum responded by hiring the law firm to independently investigate the allegations." As a lawyer, I interpret this as sloppy editing by the Times editors. The Foundation hired the law firm to give the "investigation" a patina of independence, but they are the law firm's client, and it is in the law firm's interest to make its client happy, even if it intends to do a thorough job. It is apparent that the Times is merely repeating what the press release says, though later in the article they note many reasons to doubt the independence of the investigation. For a really independent investigation, you'd need someone hired by, say, the NYS labor department. The law firm might have, in turn, hired an accounting firm to do the actual investigatory work, but I know investigation consulting departments in accounting firms, and they are anything but thorough. Anyhow, I added to the article that the law firm was hired by the museum/foundation, so that should give readers a chance to weigh the statement critically. -- Ssilvers (talk) 18:43, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for United States Pavilion

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On 9 September 2024, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article United States Pavilion, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that during the 1964 New York World's Fair, police officers used computers at the United States Pavilion to help arrest people? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/United States Pavilion. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, United States Pavilion), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

RoySmith (talk) 00:03, 9 September 2024 (UTC) [reply]

story · music · places

Thank you! Per calendar, BWV 78 is 300 years today! - my story today. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:07, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Three stories related to today in memory, 11 September, 20 July and 20 June, the latter piece of art also pictured on the Main page. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:10, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Today is Schoenberg's 150th birthday! On display, portrayed by Egon Schiele, with music from Moses und Aron, and with two DYK hooks, one from 2010 and another from 2014; the latter, about his 40th birthday, appeared on his 140th birthday, which made me happy then and now again. - See places for a stunning sunrise, on the day Bruckner's 200th birthday was celebrated (just a few days late). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:48, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I did not know about these two composers' birthdays. That is pretty interesting. (Also, the sunrise looks beautiful. At least the view isn't blocked by buildings, like it is here in NYC). – Epicgenius (talk) 12:58, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you! The sunflower, btw, is looking in the other direction, up the valley, the sun rises over the Taunus mountains with Großer Feldberg the highest. I found that piece of music interesting, from Moses und Aron, Moses more speaking than singing, and Aron the bright tenor who sadly died last year. I never heard him live but the other. I met Gielen and Boulez ... - plenty of memories. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:57, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

John Dinkeloo

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Hi Epicgenius, thank you for your valuable input. How do I add John Dinkeloo? Wikipedia states: "already exists: Roche-Dinkeloo" but I wish to add only for John dinkeloo: Wikipedia:John Dinkeloo - Wikipedia Plus, the archivist over at Yale said she would add to Dinkeloo's contributions!!! Cheers! EliBigeez (talk) 16:17, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's my sandbox number 3: http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Wikipedia:John_Dinkeloo Bigeez (talk) 16:19, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi @Bigeez, I see you were trying to move your sandbox to John Dinkeloo. The "John Dinkeloo" page already existed as a redirect, which is why you couldn't move it before. I've moved your sandbox over to the title "John Dinkeloo". – Epicgenius (talk) 16:20, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you! Need to work on his bio and Roche's with Linda's help. She supplied me with many references. Again, many thanks. Cheers EliBigeez (talk) 12:33, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sep 25: Wikimedia NYC Annual Election Meeting (plus Latin music event on Sep 21!)

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--Wikimedia New York City Team via MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 18:57, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for 325 East 38th Street

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On 13 September 2024, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article 325 East 38th Street, which you recently nominated. The fact was ... that the Permanent Mission of Indonesia to the United Nations is housed in a former public bath? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/325 East 38th Street. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, 325 East 38th Street), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

—Kusma (talk) 00:03, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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