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Friendly “Tact” or “Wand”?

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So, according to Crunchyroll, that they are referring the Friendly Tact as a “wand”, despite referring Delicious Party’s Party Candle Tact as a “tact”, and it’s 8th episode title translating Oishina Town as “Delicious Town”, but still uses said original name for the subtitles. In addition, I heard Crunchyroll is using artificial intelligence for their subtitles 2600:8801:42A:D200:566:36E4:9F2C:F930 (talk) 15:58, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So, I searched up and turns out Crunchyroll isn’t using AI on subtitles. In addition, I think you are referring the changes to the episode descriptions; apparently Crunchyroll is referring Tropical-Rouge’s Grand Ocean as “Gran Ocean” for both episode titles and subtitles, despite articles covering the series still referring it by the said original name for the character descriptions and episode descriptions. With this, it seems that this discussion would be over implanting the word “tact” over “wand” for episode descriptions.

Edit: The episode description edits are implanted; although we’ll see if other users here will accept the name changes. 2600:8801:42A:D200:91C:B86B:63BC:8F19 (talk) 06:11, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 21 May 2024

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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: no consensus. (closed by non-admin page mover) BilledMammal (talk) 21:35, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

– Crunchyroll's official title. [1] HelloYu0910 (talk) 08:26, 21 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. BilledMammal (talk) 10:33, 28 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. BilledMammal (talk) 08:00, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The wiki fandom has named it Wonderful Pretty Cure! Even the Soaring Sky! Pretty Cure is named pretty cure. Even though it's named Soaring Sky! PreCure on Crunchyroll Anime1990 (talk) 23:21, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Besides PreCure is a short name for Pretty Cure Anime1990 (talk) 23:53, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A lot of the previous Pretty Cure series are named Pretty Cure even though it's called PreCure Anime1990 (talk) 00:03, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Fandom wiki is not a reliable source. HelloYu0910 (talk) 13:27, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
According to the Google search, the result number under "Wonderful Precure!" is 7,180,000 [2] As for "Wonderful Pretty Cure!", the result number is 68,800,000 [3]. Beside that, the logo on the original title also have "Wonderful Precure!" as its' English title. HelloYu0910 (talk) 13:43, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Extended back and forther between HelloYu0910 and Anime1990; collapsed to make it easier for uninvolved editors to participate. BilledMammal (talk) 08:02, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
When you translate the Japanese word it says Wonderful Pretty Cure not Precure Anime1990 (talk) 13:47, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
all the PreCure series are called pretty cure from 2020 to present. Here is the link https://en.m.wiki.x.io/w/index.php?title=Pretty_Cure&wprov=rarw1 Anime1990 (talk) 13:57, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
PreCure is just a shortened word for Pretty Cure so it's real name should be Pretty Cure Anime1990 (talk) 14:03, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Then, it turn back to the original problem once again. "Wonderful Precure!" is the official Toei Animation's title and Crunchyroll's title. Translating "Precure" to "Pretty Cure" still doesn't change the fact that it still the official name of Toei Animation and Crunchyroll. For Healin' Good, Tropical-Rouge and Delicious Party, the Toei Animation USA use "Pretty Cure" [4], so those are not necessary to change, base on the fact that the company use "Pretty Cure" on those series. As for the Soaring Sky, Wonderful and the other series, Toei Animation USA still used "Precure" as the title [5]. HelloYu0910 (talk) 14:10, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
All the picture of PreCure series from 2020 are called PreCure but are called pretty cure in Wiki so you don't need to move it back to PreCure. Unless you want to change all the pretty cure series to precure. One guy tried to change the Soaring Sky Pretty Cure to PreCure even though Crunchyroll named it soaring sky precure but was reverted back to pretty cure Anime1990 (talk) 14:37, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Then, it should be changed.
First, the Precure series from 2020 to 2022 are using "Pretty Cure" as the title, but for 2023 and 2024, it revert back using "Precure" as the title [6].
Second, where did see the rename edit of "Soaring Sky!"? I try to search up for it, but I just cannot find the edit. HelloYu0910 (talk) 20:46, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It was a long time ago and didn't transfer the history of the page edit. Delicious Party Pretty Cure was named Pretty cure in IMDB https://m.imdb.com/title/tt18246604/ but says original title should be PreCure. Same for Tropical- Rouge Pretty Cure it was named Pretty Cure in IMDB https://m.imdb.com/title/tt13721276/ but says original title should be PreCure. If you click on Pretty Cure https://en.m.wiki.x.io/wiki/Pretty_Cure
it says this "The Pretty Cure series (プリキュアシリーズ, Purikyua Shirīzu, also titled PreCure)" Anime1990 (talk) 23:41, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think you get it wrong, I'm not talking about the English title in the Japanese logo, the source of this website is the official Toei Animation USA website. Besides, IMDB is also not a reliable source, due to the fact that it's user-generated. HelloYu0910 (talk) 05:17, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This person BaldiBasicFan redirected Soaring Sky! PreCure to Pretty Cure from the edit history
https://en.m.wiki.x.io/w/index.php?title=Soaring_Sky!_Pretty_Cure&action=history&offset=20230108201550%7C1132421128&limit=500
He also did it for Wonderful PreCure here the link https://en.m.wiki.x.io/w/index.php?title=Wonderful_Pretty_Cure!&action=history&offset=20240110025349%7C1194657604&limit=500 16 Dec 2023 the next user cancelled his redirect Anime1990 (talk) 14:38, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If you look at the external links at both Soaring Sky! Pretty Cure and Wonderful Pretty Cure
They are both named Pretty Cure even though Anime News Network names them PreCure. Anime1990 (talk) 14:49, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
if you go to this website https://www.toei-animation-usa.com/pretty-cure.html it only shows that only 4 Pretty Cure series are named Pretty Cure
(HUG! Pretty Cure, Healin' Good Pretty Cure, Tropical-Rouge! Pretty Cure, Delicious Party Pretty Cure) even though wikipedia named the first series Pretty Cure. Anime1990 (talk) 15:12, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Some have alternative titles saying Pretty Cure. The USA Toei has not named the Wonderful Pretty Cure (PreCure) in the list yet. Anime1990 (talk) 15:20, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I really wish Toei sticks to one name because there are sometimes argues in the talk pages like this talk page in Soaring Sky Pretty Cure talking about redirecting to PreCure. Here is the link https://en.m.wiki.x.io/wiki/Talk:Soaring_Sky!_Pretty_Cure Anime1990 (talk) 15:29, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
About the redirection, it is completely normal to redirect when there is no info about the new Precure series [7][8][9]. HelloYu0910 (talk) 22:10, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
look at Blackgaia he/she removed the redirect Pretty Cure from Wonderful PreCure https://en.m.wiki.x.io/w/index.php?title=Wonderful_Pretty_Cure!&diff=prev&oldid=1194067761&title=Wonderful_Pretty_Cure%21&diffonly=1
He/she also removed the redirect Pretty Cure from Soaring Sky PreCure https://en.m.wiki.x.io/w/index.php?title=Soaring_Sky!_Pretty_Cure&diff=prev&oldid=1132258389&title=Soaring_Sky%21_Pretty_Cure&diffonly=1 but named the title of the image Soaring Sky Pretty Cure
I think BaldiBasicFan the PreCure should be called Pretty Cure because the Franchise name of the series are called Pretty Cure that was created in Wikipedia Article.
I watch the series and they call the characters PreCure with english subtitles in the films. Anime1990 (talk) 23:20, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What do you mean? I don't quite understand what you mean... HelloYu0910 (talk) 03:17, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The Mascots for Pretty Cure call the girls PreCure not Pretty Cure. Anime1990 (talk) 06:16, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, and...? HelloYu0910 (talk) 08:25, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Usually we name Pretty Cure series by the franchise name Pretty Cure not the the Toei name PreCure Anime1990 (talk) 15:05, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Stick to the suggested title by Toei. Period. We don't need this long, totally hard to understand bs. And no, you cannot use fan sources are sources. This violates several wikipedia policies alone.
This is why I never like fans like these. BlackGaia02 (talkpage if you dare) (talk) 13:05, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
then we have to move Soaring Sky Pretty Cure to PreCure because toe name for Soaring Sky is PreCure not Pretty Cure. But the USA Toei has no name for Wonderful PreCure (Pretty Cure) yet so we have to wait and see. Anime1990 (talk) 13:56, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The naming of the shows IS your problem, not everyone else. Please drop the useless and baseless reasoning. BlackGaia02 (talkpage if you dare) (talk) 14:22, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
But you are the one who named Soaring Sky Pretty Cure when the page is out.https://en.m.wiki.x.io/w/index.php?title=Soaring_Sky!_Pretty_Cure&diff=prev&oldid=1132258389&title=Soaring_Sky%21_Pretty_Cure&diffonly=1 But the toei says PreCure for Soaring sky Pretty Cure series I even tried translating the Japanese word it says PreCure for Soaring Sky PreCure
For Wonderful PreCure it says Pretty Cure even the external link says Wonderful Pretty Cure to Anime News Network Wonderful Pretty Cure! (anime) at Anime News Network's encyclopedia Anime1990 (talk) 15:38, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
the title never changed but the info box of series changed to PreCure for Soaring Sky Anime1990 (talk) 15:45, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
usually Toei gives 2 names for PreCure series (Pretty Cure)
Right know toei has 1 name for Wonderful Pretty Cure (PreCure). Anime1990 (talk) 15:54, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
First, just change "Soaring Sky! Pretty Cure" to "SOARING SKY! PRECURE", it is not that difficult, and can easily do it in 10 secs.
Second, the official name for Wonderful is either "WonderfulPrecure!" by the logo of the series [10], or "Wonderful Precure!" which is Crunchyroll's official title [11].
I think it's pretty clear that it should be change, and there's still some series that need to change.
Name Sources:
HelloYu0910 (talk) 08:52, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Some of the PreCure series have 2 Names one is an alternative name which some are called Pretty Cure
Go to this website https://www.toei-animation-usa.com/pretty-cure.html the first Pretty Cure series is called Pretty Cure until Soaring Sky is called PreCure. I am talking about the beautiful logos that use Pretty Cure not the PreCure that is black. Anime1990 (talk) 09:14, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
To be honest, just stick with the title under the logo. And also, the list that I made were those that a need to change. I have search though all Precure page, and list any series which doesn't match the Toei's official name. HelloYu0910 (talk) 09:39, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You could change the name in ten seconds, but do so without consensus would be wrong. I have to agree with @User:Blackgaia02 100% here. I see no reason for a change at this time. Besides, some of the changes you are proposing, in page name changes, would lead to further confusion. Historyday01 (talk) 13:08, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Historyday01 Wait, did I mistaken @Blackgaia02's message or something? I just want to point out the fact that the title of Precure pages isn't the same title as the official one [12], and I'm suggesting to change it, that's all I wanted to point out. HelloYu0910 (talk) 13:30, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That page is very inconsistent, however, as some are described as "Pretty Cure" (including a few you proposed to change, rather than "PreCure", with the term "Pretty Cure" used at least 30 times on the page itself, including in reference to HUG! Pretty Cure, Tropical-Rouge! Pretty Cure, Healin' Good Pretty Cure, Delicious Party Pretty Cure, and Pretty Cure All Stars, among others). Furthermore, one source (and one webpage at that) isn't enough to justify changing a whole bunch of pages on here. The sources you listed before, specifically the logo for Wonderful! Pretty Cure and the Crunchyroll page for that series aren't enough either.Historyday01 (talk) 14:42, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with Historyday01 but wanted to make HelloYu0910 happy by changing the article name saying that you have to move pages to have new article name. Anime1990 (talk) 16:44, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Renaming one series should be made to be consistent with the entire Pretty Cure/Precure franchise. An RM should extend to all of them and establish that Precure is the common name of the franchise and whatever exceptions need to be made. Each article's body text would require updating to reflect any name changes and also list the unshortened name. ― Synpath 23:01, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I agree with this. Having one page change its name would create inconsistencies. Historyday01 (talk) 14:17, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support based on WP:COMMONNAME used by reliable English sources. "Wonderful PreCure" is the name used by Crunchyroll,[13][14] Anime News Network,[15][16] Comic Book Resources,[17] Otaku USA,[18] and Time of India.[19] I have not found a single reliable English language source that uses "Wonderful Pretty Cure" as the English title. All the hits that do come up are user-generated forums and wikis and unscrupulous retail sites selling potentially bootleg items. Finally, what titles the other series use should depend on what reliable English-language sources use. For some, that would be Pretty Cure. For most of the rest, it will be PreCure. There is no requirement to arbitrarily dictate a consistent naming convention for all franchise series articles, especially when reliable English-language sources use no consistent naming convention from series to series. 216.30.147.90 (talk) 23:30, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I am sure @HelloYu0910 wanted to have consistent naming for Pretty Cure series even if we have to change some Pretty Cure to PreCure we might have to the change the franchise name of Pretty Cure to PreCure to make it consistent and the characters title of Pretty Cure to PreCure. Anime1990 (talk) 05:37, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Anime1990 I think you get the wrong idea. I actually just simply want to let Precure series matches it official title, and that is what I want to talk about for a very long time. HelloYu0910 (talk) 08:37, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Extended back and forther between HelloYu0910 and Anime1990; collapsed to make it easier for uninvolved editors to participate. BilledMammal (talk) 08:02, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
Relisting comment: Relisting for additional participation; Anime1990 and HelloYu0910 I suggest you step back from this discussion, to allow others the chance to participate. BilledMammal (talk) 08:00, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have to agree. My view on not changing the name remains the same as it was in that previous discussion. The sources cited above include unreliable sources and I'm not convinced that "PreCure" is the common name. Historyday01 (talk) 14:16, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You claim that you don't believe any of the English-language sources I posted above are reliable, what is your evidence and what reliable English-language sources do you have to support your claim that "Wonderful Pretty Cure" is the common English name? Secondly, if the series is inconsistent between using "Pretty Cure" or "PreCure" in its English language titles, that is not something for Wikipedia to "correct". Article titles should follow WP:COMMONNAME, even if there is inconsistency from series to series. And using "Wonderful Pretty Cure" for the sake of "consistency" when no reliable English-language sources uses that title is a violation of WP:NOR. You are inventing a title based purely on your personal preference and not because it is the title used by reliable English-language sources. 216.30.147.90 (talk) 14:33, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Look at this link https://www.toei-animation-usa.com/pretty-cure.html it says pretty cure between / and .html that is why Wikipedia called the franchise name Pretty Cure Anime9000 (talk) 15:57, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Anime News Network is not reliable source as @Historyday01 said this: Additionally, the ANN encyclopedia isn't a reliable source. As it states on WP:A&M/ORS "Do not cite the user-edited encyclopedia database" Anime9000 (talk) 16:06, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WP:OR.
About ANN is not reliable source, it is only because you gived encyclopedia link not news. HelloYu0910 (talk) 16:08, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
For exmaple,
[48] is a news which is fine, consider WP:ANIMENEWSNETWORK said so.
As for the encyclopedia, due to WP:ANIMENEWSNETWORK said "Do not cite the user-edited encyclopedia database or any articles marked as advertorial.", which lend to news is an reliable source while encyclopedia database not. HelloYu0910 (talk) 16:17, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I only see "Wonderful Precure!" on the page you linked. Yes, the franchise as a whole is called "Pretty Cure" in English, but the use of "Pretty Cure" and "Precure" is inconsistent, even on the official website. Therefore, article titles should be based on which version of the name is used by reliable English-language sources and not on personal preference. Changing all names to be consistent, even when it is not the WP:COMMONNAME, is not an improvement of the encyclopedia. Secondly, ANN's news and review section is a reliable source and has withstood multiple WP:RS/N and project discussions. Only the encyclopedia section is deemed unreliable due to being based on user generated content. 216.30.147.90 (talk) 16:22, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Honestly, my main issue is that if you name one page "PreCure" and the others "Pretty Cure", it creates inconsistency. I think there should be a RfC on Talk:Pretty Cure instead about whether to use "PreCure" or "Pretty Cure". My personal preference doesn't matter here. Otherwise, it seems we are going in circles are not going anywhere, and the same people are discussing it without those from outside this discussion, which is unfortunate. Historyday01 (talk) 16:22, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The "inconsistency" of the titles aren't a problem. And we shouldn't be inventing titles just to make things "consistent" when those titles aren't used by reliable English=language sources per WP:COMMONNAME. Policy and guidelines trumps personal preferences with regards to article titles and content. And your expressed desire for "consistency" with article where none exists in reliable English-language sources is a personal preference. 216.30.147.90 (talk) 16:28, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't disagree with you that existing sources can be inconsistent in their use of PreCure and Pretty Cure, as the Toei Animation page on the series makes that clear. At the same time, I'd also say that means even more than this should be decided in a way that effects ALL the Pretty Cure pages (this is what @― Synpath said earlier, which noting: "An RM should extend to all of them and establish that Precure is the common name of the franchise and whatever exceptions need to be made. Each article's body text would require updating to reflect any name changes and also list the unshortened name"), no just one. A requested move or RfC would work. In terms of personal preference, I will say that I don't personally care which one is used (when I said "I'm not convinced that "PreCure" is the common name" I was basing that on the sources which have been cited in this discussion, not elsewhere). Instead, I'd like to be done in the right way... I did attempt to get more people to comment on this discussion by posting on relevant projects, although I'm not sure that worked. Historyday01 (talk) 16:32, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If there is to be a consistent standard applied to all articles within the franchise, it should be, "The title should reflect the WP:COMMONNAME as used by reliable English-language sources, whether that be 'PreCure' or 'Pretty Cure'." Whether that leads to different titles being used between different articles within the franchise is not a problem so long Wikipedia's policy and guidelines are followed. Trying to invent novel titles for the sake of consistency is not an improvement of the encyclopedia. 216.30.147.90 (talk) 16:41, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
LOL. I'm not trying to invent anything, I just think it would cause confusion to have different titles within the same franchise. If you truly believe that there are reliable English-language sources which show "Wonderful PreCure" is the preferred name, please provide them, because the ones I have seen so far are wholly inadequate. Historyday01 (talk) 19:03, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I already gave a number of links to reliable English-language sources using the title "Wonderful PreCure" for the series title, yet you still refuse to accept any of them. I've also looked and have yet to find a single reliable English-language source using the title "Wonderful Pretty Cure". The best I can manage are places quoting Wikipedia and bootleg sellers. If you believe that "Wonderful Pretty Cure" is the common name, do provide a number of sources supporting it. Otherwise "Wonderful Pretty Cure" is nothing more than an invented title based on original research, specifically WP:SYNTH. 216.30.147.90 (talk) 20:54, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Arbitrary break

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The same can be said to Soaring Sky Pretty Cure because it's named PreCure in Toei Animation website but no one wants to move it PreCure even @Historyday01 doesn't agree with the move Anime9000 (talk) 00:55, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A lot of the Pretty Cure All Stars movies in Wikipedia from this link: https://en.m.wiki.x.io/wiki/Pretty_Cure_All_Stars does not follow the WP:COMMONNAME based on this link: https://www.toei-animation-usa.com/pretty-cure.html at the bottom of the page except for the one that was released in 2016 called PRETTY CURE ALL STARS
SING TOGETHER MIRACLE MAGIC Anime9000 (talk) 16:44, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I said it once, said it twice, and many times already. But, here, I will just repeat it again, just change it if it doesn't based on WP:COMMONNAME. Not hard at all. HelloYu0910 (talk) 17:09, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
But if someone changes it will get changed back to Pretty Cure Anime9000 (talk) 17:13, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Chief among them @Historyday01, who moved a number of Precure articles to "Pretty Cure" during the course of this discussion in assert their personal preference for "consistency" rather than based on the title used by reliable English-language sources. All of those other moves should be undone. 216.30.147.90 (talk) 17:26, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Again, it wasn't about a "personal preference," I moved them because it seemed wrong to have ONE page be different, and the fact that the page move was done without any discussion. I stand by my move and wouldn't do it any differently. We need to have a discussion about ALL the Pretty Cure pages, not just this one. To move this one, and NOT the others, without a discussion, would be inconsistent. The last thing we want to do is confuse people reading these pages. Historyday01 (talk) 19:01, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"I moved them because it seemed wrong to have ONE page be different,"
That is a personal preference and one not supported by Wikipedia policies, guidelines, or reliable English-langauge sources. 216.30.147.90 (talk) 20:56, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: For all participants here, specifically @216.30.147.90, @HelloYu0910, @―Synpath, @HelloYu0910, @User:Blackgaia02, @Shadow, and @BilledMammal, I have posted a RfC at Talk:Pretty Cure#"Pretty Cure" or "PreCure"?, asking for comments on whether to use Pretty Cure or PreCure for all related pages, based on the above discussion. I see no point in participating in this specific discussion again, as it is going in circles, and I will not be changing my opinion either.--Historyday01 (talk) 20:06, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Italics

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Why is the opening paragraph in Italic? I tried to fix it but I don't think it worked. 2601:547:CC80:4F00:248C:67D2:B55E:6F5F (talk) 20:13, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There was an extra ' 182.239.93.153 (talk) 02:08, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Okay. I didn't notice. 2601:547:CC80:4F00:FC8A:DF36:C6F3:F121 (talk) 11:58, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Topic about their own movie

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So Toei just announced that they will have their own movie titled Wonderful Precure The Movie! Doki Doki ♡ Grand Adventure in the Game World! (in Japanese is called わんだふるぷりきゅあ！ざ・むーびー！ ドキドキ♡ゲームの世界で大冒険！ in Kana and Wandafuru Purikyua Za Mūbī! Dokidoki ♡ Gemu no Sekai de Daiboken! according to Hepburn writing). Is it plausible to add it? Nobi-Wiki (talk) 07:32, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Daifuku

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Where did the information about him having Satoru's surname come from? 73.79.229.7 (talk) 12:26, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Spoilers

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I added information about Satoru and Daifuku's forms in the movie, but I am worried that it is too early to add this information since the movie was just released today, even though there are official sources reporting about it. 2601:547:CC80:4F00:F44F:C41:C867:DAE5 (talk) 17:56, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 12 February 2025

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– Toei Animation USA and Crunchyroll's official name. Continue our previous discussion (from 7 months ago, wow that's long), in my point of view, my statement still never changed. I still suggest to just stuck to the name that given by Toei Animation USA, Crunchyroll or the English title on the original Japanese logo unless there are enough reliable sources to change it to another name. Let me rephrase something, based on WP:ANN and, WP:FANDOM, Fandoms and Anime News Network's wiki IS NOT AN RELIABLE SOURCE, please don't make anyone go into the circles like last time. Cause I really want to have a final decision. One more note, this page, Wonderful Pretty Cure was originally named Wonderful PreCure! until @Anime1990 changed it because of "misspelled", which was a false accussion. HelloYu0910 (talk) 11:40, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support. We go with WP:USEENGLISH and defer to official releases. Crunchyroll uses Precure, Wikipedia uses Precure. News sites using a different title is irrelevant. Fresh Precure we defer to Toei USA's licensing page because that's the guide that the streaming services that are picking up official releases are using to name them and if it comes to Crunchyroll in the next year or two, that will be the name they use. "Number of reliable sources" is not the metric, the official release trumps all of them. It's admittedly not helped that Toei themselves is very inconsistent, but for these pages in particular, the English titles have been very consistent. EDIT: Since this was reopened, I still support changing the names but since all the moves already got reverted anyway, it's reasonable to use the "Precure" capitalization versus "PreCure." I've updated the list with all the shows affected but I kept the capitalization to be consistent with other Wikipedia pages for now. If we use Precure, then we have to also move the pages again for Splash Star, Yes!, HeartCatch, Suite, Smile, and DokiDoki. It also goes without saying that all their subpages need to move too (such as episode lists.)Rebochan (talk) 10:18, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia alternate between Precure and Pretty Cure, I know a lot of people are coping the fandom style using Pretty Cure because its a japanese title. based on "I know the fandom and wikis run by the fandom use the Japanese title" quote from @Rebochan Anime1990 (talk) 11:33, 18 February 2025 (UTC) (Vio of SOCK) --Super Goku V (talk) 09:26, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry my response was a little muddled. Should really say If Crunchyroll uses Precure, then Wikipedia uses Precure. This is not actually used consistently in the franchise itself - see Crunchyroll's listings for the first three series where the logo says "Pretty Cure" and the streaming catalog and the licensing page say "Precure." I just wanted to emphasize that for these specific shows, the logo and the licensing/streaming titles are actually consistent in English so this is straightforward. Rebochan (talk) 12:37, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Right. Before there was no consensus, but I'd be fine with moving it to whatever name has the most reliable sources to support it. The names you note above, align with what is mentioned on Toei Animation's official page listing the names of ALL the Pretty Cure series. Whereas, Crunchyroll uses the names Wonderful Precure!, Soaring Sky! Precure (also used on Prime Video), Witchy Precure!, Kira Kira☆Precure a La Mode (all in caps lock for some reason), and You and Idol Precure ♪. Notably, Fresh PreCure! isn't on Crunchyroll. Anyway, these names are also confirmed on the official sites, listing "Wonderful Precure!", "Fresh PreCure", "Kirakira PreCure a la Mode" (one official site calls it "precure alamode"), and "You and Idol Precure ♪.
However, Soaring Sky is called "hirogaru sky precure" and "hirogaru sky" on official sites (which could just be listed as alternate names), while Anime News Network articles give the name "Soaring Sky! Pretty Cure" here, here, and here, to give three examples. Additionally, Witchy Precure is called "mahotsukai_precure" and "mahotsukai precure 2", both of which can be listed as alternate names, with ANN using the names "Witchy Pretty Cure!" here and here to give two examples.
While saying all of that, I would vote to move the pages to the names you suggested. Historyday01 (talk) 13:27, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If we change some to PreCure some movies also has to change Christnz1990 (talk) 03:34, 13 February 2025 (UTC) Sock of Anime1990. Elli (talk | contribs) 21:54, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, and the episode list as well. HelloYu0910 (talk) 15:29, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I still think the person who will close the request will say no consensus because BilledMammal is the one who reviews the page move request Anime1990 (talk) 15:08, 14 February 2025 (UTC) (Vio of SOCK) --Super Goku V (talk) 09:26, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Base on our previous discussion, yes, indeed, it was an "no consensus" discussion, it's not because of someone was thinking that the discussion was no consensus, IT IS BECAUSE we truly didn't have any no consensus on that discussion, that's why I want to make a end on this in this discussion. HelloYu0910 (talk) 13:05, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
And I think we have more of a consensus this time around. Historyday01 (talk) 14:12, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I would be fine with that, *if* the sources support those changes, as I noted in my above comment. Historyday01 (talk) 14:11, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I am sure people use this format WP:TRANSLITERATE If there are too few reliable English-language sources to constitute an established usage,....follow the translation convention. Anime1990 (talk) 03:51, 15 February 2025 (UTC) (Vio of SOCK) --Super Goku V (talk) 09:26, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Anime1990, too few reliable sources? Not sure what you mean, but checkout the news.
  • For Fresh PreCure!, [49][50], not sure if it's enough, but Toei Animation USA named it Fresh PreCure!, and is one of the reliable source.
  • For Witchy Precure!, [51][52][53][54], most of them are Witchy Precure!, while some of them is Witchy PreCure!, Witchy Pretty Cure!, Maho Girls Precure!, Maho Girls PreCure! and Maho Girls Pretty Cure!.
  • For Kirakira PreCure a la Mode, [55][56], most of them are "Precure", while only a few of them are "Pretty Cure". So, it should be better to just use "Precure" instead of "PreCure", I will think about it.
  • For Soaring Sky! Precure, [57][58], some news are "Pretty Cure", while some of them are "Precure" or "PreCure".
  • For Wonderful Precure!, [59][60], mainly every single news about it have only used Wonderful Precure!.
  • For You and Idol Precure, [61][62], mainly every single news about it have only used You and Idol Precure.
Not sure if this answer your question, but I believe this is enough to prove that all of the pages that I list do actually have enough reliable sources to support my argument. And try to stop making the discussion in a circle, okay? Cause I really want it to get a conclusion. HelloYu0910 (talk) 12:57, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't create the You and Idol pretty cure wikipedia website I was about to move them to Precure. Anime1990 (talk) 13:31, 15 February 2025 (UTC) (Vio of SOCK) --Super Goku V (talk) 09:26, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
mostly the format of the these websites that on are on wikipedia are copies from fandom Anime1990 (talk) 13:33, 15 February 2025 (UTC) (Vio of SOCK) --Super Goku V (talk) 09:26, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not saying that, you're the one who create the You and Idol Precure page, I was just saying the I have enough reliable source to move the page. And, you don't have any proof that those are copy from the wiki, don't you? HelloYu0910 (talk) 13:47, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Some of the decorative logo say Pretty Cure but Bolded one say PreCure I think that is why its hard to name them. For example: The decorative logo says Fresh Pretty Cure but the bolded one says Fresh PreCure in this website https://www.toei-animation-usa.com/pretty-cure.html Anime1990 (talk) 13:43, 15 February 2025 (UTC) (Vio of SOCK) --Super Goku V (talk) 09:26, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, and that can be settle by using "stylized as Fresh Pretty Cure!" on the first line. You may think that, you can swap it. But, reliable sources had just proven my point. HelloYu0910 (talk) 13:52, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Apple TV name it Fresh Pretty Cure https://tv.apple.com/jp/show/%E3%83%95%E3%83%AC%E3%83%83%E3%82%B7%E3%83%A5%E3%83%95%E3%83%AA%E3%82%AD%E3%83%A5%E3%82%A2/umc.cmc.qubfgp2st43331nq6uxuak59?l=en-US They use the same format as Fandom but reword stuff. Anime1990 (talk) 13:52, 15 February 2025 (UTC) (Vio of SOCK) --Super Goku V (talk) 09:26, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, then. We can discuss about Fresh. Anything else? HelloYu0910 (talk) 13:54, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I agree to move them so someone needs to move the first series to Precure because its say Precure on the USA toei page Anime1990 (talk) 13:54, 15 February 2025 (UTC) (Vio of SOCK) --Super Goku V (talk) 09:26, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Crunchyroll also says Precure for first season Anime1990 (talk) 13:56, 15 February 2025 (UTC) (Vio of SOCK) --Super Goku V (talk) 09:26, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I am sure if we rename some of them they will be changed back unless we have a protection so only people who can login can edit Anime1990 (talk) 14:03, 15 February 2025 (UTC) (Vio of SOCK) --Super Goku V (talk) 09:26, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
WP:MOVP. HelloYu0910 (talk) 14:14, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The first series, huh? Alright, let's discuss about that.
Sources
HelloYu0910 (talk) 14:09, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If you find more, feel free to list it. HelloYu0910 (talk) 14:11, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Anime1990 ? HelloYu0910 (talk) 16:20, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Number of sources is irrelevant. Defer to official releases pre WP:USEENGLISH. This should not be a debate. Rebochan (talk) 10:21, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Even without using the Google hits, and the sources I noted in my above comment, is enough to support your proposed changes. Historyday01 (talk) 14:13, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, so we're talking about the first series, Futari wa Pretty Cure now. HelloYu0910 (talk) 14:15, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Talk about the first series on the page for the first series, I already started a rename request on there. Rebochan (talk) 10:22, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
so @Rebochan is saying that ANN news is not a reliable source to name the articles but go with the ones that show on streaming site like crunchyroll and Toei USA animation page. Anime1990 (talk) 11:23, 18 February 2025 (UTC) (Vio of SOCK) --Super Goku V (talk) 09:26, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
We use the title of the primary source, which is the show itself that you can watch right now on Crunchyroll for all but one of those cases. The last case, Fresh, is being covered by the licensing guide that we know the streamers are using. This should not even be controversial. WP:USEENGLISH, WP:COMMONNAME, and MOS:AM. Come up with a policy that backs you up if you feel otherwise. Rebochan (talk) 14:15, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
what @HelloYu0910 wants is the english title on the pages and logo titles (japenese title) on altenative line based Toei Animation USA page Anime1990 (talk) 23:40, 18 February 2025 (UTC) (Vio of SOCK) --Super Goku V (talk) 09:26, 20 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Anime1990 Well, please check the discussion that was on Talk:Futari wa Pretty Cure page. Because of how many primary source that shown "Pretty Cure" instead of "PreCure" or "Precure", I support to rename the page, Futari wa Pretty Cure to Pretty Cure. Remember, Crunchyroll or other streaming platform is an primary source too, as the result, I have no problem to change Futari wa Pretty Cure to Pretty Cure as long as there's reliable primary sources to support it. HelloYu0910 (talk) 00:14, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hey since this discussion got reopened, I went and added the remaining show pages that are being affected by this move. Wikipedia doesn't seem to be adding the page move template to all of them but I have at least made sure the first entry in the list has every series. Rebochan (talk) 23:27, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Sock of Anime1990. Elli (talk | contribs) 21:54, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
But it should be not be named Pretty Cure (2004 TV series) because it has a manga could we say Pretty Cure (2004 Series) Christnz1990 (talk) 00:24, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The only problem if we name it Pretty Cure it will be
in conflict with the franchise name Pretty Cure. He @Rebochan said we can name it is as Precure for first series not Futari wa Precure.
Besides I have a script I can move all the films that needed to move in one go. Christnz1990 (talk) 00:35, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Christnz1990, http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Talk:Futari_wa_Pretty_Cure#c-Rebochan-20250218125500-Christnz1990-20250218110900. HelloYu0910 (talk) 01:34, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Talk:Futari_wa_Pretty_Cure#c-Rebochan-20250214204900-Requested_move_14_February_2025. HelloYu0910 (talk) 01:35, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Notes

  1. ^ It's because Crunchyroll's title is PreCure Splash Star, so we're going to stay unchanged for this one.
  2. ^ It's because Crunchyroll's title is KIRA KIRA☆PRECURE A LA MODE, so we will have to use Toei Animation USA for this one.

Requested move 19 February 2025

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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: procedural close as previous discussion has been reopened. Elli (talk | contribs) 21:50, 19 February 2025 (UTC) Elli (talk | contribs) 21:50, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

– @Anime1990, #Requested move 12 February 2025. The disscussion was moved to "Wonderful Precure!" and "You and Idol Precure" instead of "Wonderful PreCure!" and "You and Idol PreCure", beside Crunchyroll and Toei Animation USA's official title used "Precure" instead of "PreCure" for these season. So, it should be change it to "Precure" instead "PreCure". HelloYu0910 (talk) 15:13, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Look we just, JUST, had a consensus for PreCure. Why are we literally starting this over? Rebochan (talk) 18:01, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I would just ignore their request. This whole request is a faulty one. Historyday01 (talk) 18:16, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This move request is a faulty one and unnecessary on many, many levels. We already have a consensus for the previous one. I completely oppose these moves. Historyday01 (talk) 18:15, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The closer of the previous discussion was blocked for sockpuppetry, meaning it's possible that discussion will be reopened. I don't know if that's what will happen, as we have guidance at WP:SOCKSTRIKE, I didn't see anything in my brief scan about what we do when the sock closed a discussion - so I am leaving that to an admin to deal with, but wanted to let everyone here know. If it is reopened, I think it would be appropriate to hold off on this, or if the editors here agree this can just be closed as premature. ASUKITE 21:26, 19 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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