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Contested deletion

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This article should not be speedily deleted for lack of asserted importance because... VIXX is a korean boy group who just debuted under JellyFish Entertainment. Normally when a new group debut in K-POP (Korean Pop), a Wikipedia page is created pre debut or on the day however, a page for VIXX hasn't become available yet. Most fan and general K-Pop listeners tend to search information about groups even if there are only few details given --Villa2blue (talk) 23:13, 13 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

They are a beautiful band and they are very handsome — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.81.235.175 (talk) 18:28, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request on 14 June 2013

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In the promotional singles, please change "Hyde"'s Peak Chart Position 75 to 35, because in the Gaon charts, they reached 35, not 75 http://www.gaonchart.co.kr/main/section/total/list.gaon 116.15.45.145 (talk) 09:58, 14 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done. Please provide a reliable source to support the change you wish to be made. Thanks! Jguy TalkDone 00:39, 19 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Go to the date of the week: 2013.05.19~2013.05.25, at rank 35 is VIXX's Hyde!!! How is this not a reliable source?!?!?!?!?!?!!!!!!!!!!— Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.6.112.55 (talk) 11:10, 19 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Done Thank you for providing the source for the change. I have made the edit for you. Thanks. Begoon talk 10:12, 21 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 10 March 2015

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Please add "2015: VIXX Live Fantasia: Utopia" to the section 'Concerts/Tours' because they're having a tour in Korea soon: http://www.soompi.com/2015/01/27/vixx-releases-second-solo-concert-schedule/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m86c7UrgZLI Akadust (talk) 03:44, 10 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: According to the page's protection level and your user rights, you should be able to edit the page yourself. If you seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details. - Arjayay (talk) 14:55, 10 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The Members List

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There has been a lot of edits on the members list both in the infobox and the members list in the article, editors have to revert the edits nearly every day because it is pretty much useless information and vandalism. Is there any way to protect or prevent these edits from ever happening in the first place? Alicia leo86 (talk) 11:10, 27 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

If the vandalism is current, and comes from IP addresses and new accounts, you can request page protection. The page was semi-protected sometime during the last few months because of vandalism. Random86 (talk) 07:23, 6 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Alicia leo86 and Random86, so in the end of it you agree that there's no need for a special section for the members list? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.199.70.130 (talk) 05:44, 30 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Copied from my talk

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QC on VIXX

Hello, I was wondering why you removed all that information in the members section of VIXX? It looks very lacking now and not consistent. I would like that information returned. -Alicia leo86 (talk) 08:32, 15 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Alicia leo86: As you can see from my edits here and here the information I removed was completely unsourced. If you have reliable sources, you can readd this info into the article. If not, you cannot. Dr. K. 08:58, 15 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Dr.K.: I have another question, why is it a misuse of information and sources when its the official profile that states their position and date of birth? I see you have removed this information not only from this main page but also on the individual pages: N, Leo, Ken, Ravi, Hongbin and Hyuk. If its posted on their official websites don't you think it is a verified claim and reliable source? The information that is both on their individual pages on wikipedia as well as here is not unsourced at all. Alicia leo86 (talk) 11:06, 15 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Alicia leo86: Please read my edit summary in the case of Ken (singer): No inline citation supplied for "Ken official profile", "Jellyfish entertainment" link does not contain DOB. In other words, there is no link to the so-called "Official site" and in the case of "Jellyfish entertainment", its link does not contain the DOB. I didn't see any other "official sites" supporting the DOB of the other artists and the "Jellyfish entertainment" link was also used in the articles of the other singers and my edit-sumary comment is valid for them as well. Dr. K. 11:38, 15 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Also if you check my edit referring to misuse of sources: Remove unsourced information/misuse of sources not verifying actual claim, none of the sources in the link I provided you of my edit are from hyperlinked "official profiles". Just stating "Hyuk Official Profile" without linking to it is not sufficient. Dr. K. 11:48, 15 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Dr.K.: But that is just my point, there is a link in the infobox that is copied/doubled to his name in the starting sentence. Like this:

Lee Jae-hwan<ref name=kenprofile>Ken Official Profile *{{cite web | title=Ken Official Profile (Korean Site)| url=http://www.jelly-fish.co.kr/sub/artist_singer02.php?prof_id=26&num=4#a1| publisher=[[Jellyfish Entertainment]]| accessdate=May 1, 2016}} *{{cite web | title=Ken Official Profile (Japanese Site)| url=http://vixx.cjve.jp/profile/#KEN| publisher=[[Jellyfish Entertainment]]| accessdate=May 1, 2016}}</ref>

The <ref name=kenprofile /> tag copies it, isn't that sufficient enough so it's not physically there twice?

Both of the links show his date of birth and the Japanese site states their position.. For the Korean site however you need to click each members names. So you cannot tell us both of these links are invalid even though they are official websites. Alicia leo86 (talk) 11:53, 15 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

So you cannot tell us both of these links are invalid even though they are official websites. Please do not distort what I wrote. I am just telling you that in the link that I provided to you regarding my edit on "Hyuk Official Profile" there was no url provided for it. In the "jellyfish" url I clicked on the artists' profiles and I saw no DOB or position. Also, the official websites are not considered reliable sources for DOBs. There have been discussions over that matter involving users such as Random86 and Drmies. Dr. K. 13:12, 15 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • And typically this information is just hugely excessive, of use for fans only. We have name, Hangul version, birth name, Hangul version, etc.--it's hard to read, and this is the English Wikipedia. Besides, for better or for worse, all these people have articles, so if that excessive info is relevant, the reader can find it there. Also, no bold print please. Drmies (talk) 15:12, 15 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • I cut more. Those comments on who did what rap or whatever, or whose style is "unique", have no place in what should be a list. Drmies (talk) 15:14, 15 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Dr.K.: My apologies, I'm not trying to distort what you wrote. I'm just trying to understand why official websites aren't reliable sources when they are written by official representatives and I can tell you on both of the Korean and Japanese websites the information is there. For example on N's profile http://vixx.cjve.jp/profile/#N It has the following:

ポジション ダンス、ヴォーカル

生年月日 1990.06.30

That's his birthday and Position, on the Korean website http://www.jelly-fish.co.kr/sub/artist_singer02.php?prof_id=26&num=3#! it is the same if you click his name, it is also there like the following:

생년월일 1990년 6월 30일

If that is not his birthday and position then I don't know what is and they are both official websites so they should be reliable sources. Alicia leo86 (talk) 15:17, 15 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Drmies: We could ditch that list all together, honestly. I just expanded on it. Since people kept putting it there and it felt empty. lol Alicia leo86 (talk) 15:20, 15 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Drmies: It's kind of absurd that is the case, you cannot get more reliable than an official website. Even if it is just a marketing tool.Alicia leo86 (talk) 15:41, 15 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
What is absurd is assuming that "official" means "reliable". The company obviously has an interest in presenting the information that they think will promote the product best. See WP:RS, and apply common sense. Any source that has a vested interest in what is being presented, and how, is by definition to be treated with care. Besides--what on earth does it matter to list dates of birth or whatever in an article on the band? (Unless one is an ageist of course.) An example of personal information to be handled with care is the shocking news of Eli Kim's marriage, which prompted the group's owner to release a statement saying he could still be in the band even though he was married. So please don't go around saying that personal information is without value. Drmies (talk) 16:01, 15 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I never did any of that. But know some of the members pages are incomplete because the birthdates aren't there. Also when you were editing 2016's section about Zelos in this page you unlinked the page to Zelos. Alicia leo86 (talk) 16:12, 15 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with Drmies. Dr. K. 16:16, 15 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]


Incorrect pronunciation of the group's name?

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"빅스" reads "Bigs", not "Vicks". There is no "v" sound in Hangul, but there is "k" sound, which is "ㅋ", not "ㄱ". So "ㅂㅣㅋㅅ" (in a linear form) would be the most accurate rendition of "vixx" (even though it would be still lacking since there is no letter to code "v" sound). Notice also that I did not include the "ㅡ" ("eu") sound, which is should not be actually pronounced in a supposedly English name. (This is a common issue both both Korean and Japanese languages where people can not end a word with a consonant and always add "ㅡ eu" sound.) DenisRS (talk) 20:47, 18 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, bigseu is the direct romanization of 빅스 so you would expect that to be reflected where it says "pronounced", but in this case the "pronounced" is pointing towards how it is supposed to be pronounced rather than how it is written or scripted. Abdotorg (talk) 22:01, 18 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@DenisRS: @Abdotorg: I've added four official sources for "빅스" to the article summary, which is clearly the official Hangul transliteration and seems to address the concern that an inaccurate transliteration is being referenced. Patrick Dark (talk) 16:52, 4 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@DenisRS: @Abdotorg: As mentioned below in the "Band name abbreviation expansion citations needed" section, this part of my edit was reverted and abandoned. Patrick Dark (talk) 21:27, 5 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Added “Band abbreviation expansion citations needed” section

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Band name abbreviation expansion citations needed

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@Abdotorg: Unless you can point to specific pre‐existing sources that corroborate the VIXX abbreviation expansion so I (or you) can reference them in the summary per Wikipedia guidelines requiring source citations to be near the content they’re sourcing (see http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Wikipedia:Citing_sources#How_to_place_an_inline_citation_using_ref_tags), I’m going to revert your revert as I don’t understand why adding official sources for unsourced or improperly sourced material is considered controversial.

Further, the second Google hit for "VIXX abbreviation" (http://koreaboo.com/uncategorized/the-true-meaning-behind-these-10-k-pop-group-names/) references an incorrect abbreviation expansion and finding an official source for this abbreviation is surprisingly not straightforward, especially since Wikipedia doesn’t provide those sources.

Your revert also seems ridiculous in light of "This article needs additional citations for verification." being at the top of the article since 2013.

Lastly, the Hangul citations were added in light of the "Incorrect pronunciation of the group's name?" discussion here. That transliteration is likewise not sourced.

Patrick Dark (talk) 17:17, 4 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Abdotorg: Looks like this was partially and silently addressed in edit comments with a partial revert of the revert in which the abbreviation expansion citations were restored, but the Hangul transliteration citations were not.
Since I was primarily interested in addressing the former, consider the latter citations abandoned and no longer contested as far as I'm concerned.
Patrick Dark (talk) 21:23, 5 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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