Talk:U.S. economic performance by presidential party

weasel and bias tags

Completely Random Guy et al., do you plan to open a discussion of these perceived issues? it's generally not good form to tag an article that way and then walk away. some call it "drive-by" tagging. soibangla (talk) 21:07, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

perception vs. reality

many are no doubt aware that for decades the Republican Party has been very successful in promoting the narrative that they are better stewards of the economy than are Democrats. for many, this narrative has become so pervasive that it is accepted practically as gospel. if people want better economic growth, job creation and stock market returns, they obviously should vote Republican, the narrative goes.

alas, decades of data do not support this narrative, across the board for nearly all major indicators, as shown with many reliable sources in this article. now, I understand this realization might cause cognitive dissonance for some, leading them to reflexively reject the data and conclude this article must be biased, POV, weaselly and unbalanced, so they tag it as such. what they've been led to believe with superior messaging for decades simply cannot be wrong, they think. but it is. as the lead plainly states, it's not clear why it is true, only that it is.

I recommend editors identify specific phrasing and sources they find biased, POV, weaselly and unbalanced so we can resolve them and remove the tags. soibangla (talk) 23:29, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

Based on the comments it seems like both sides are biased here. The 2016 paper (on which much of the data is based), clearly states that a large part of the delta can be explained by oil shocks and war. This is not mentioned in the article's introduction. Instead the introduction is phrased in a way that implies democratic policy was likely the driver. 2A02:8108:483F:D734:19B2:59CC:B5BF:D217 (talk) 23:05, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

Based on the comments it seems like both sides are biased here. The 2016 paper (on which much of the data is based), clearly states that a large part of the delta can be explained by oil shocks and war. This is not mentioned in the article's introduction. Instead the introduction is phrased in a way that implies democratic policy was likely the driver. 2A02:8108:483F:D734:19B2:59CC:B5BF:D217 (talk) 23:06, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

Based on the comments it seems like both sides are biased here. The 2016 paper (on which much of the data is based), clearly states that a large part of the delta can be explained by oil shocks and war. This is not mentioned in the article's introduction. Instead the introduction is phrased in a way that implies democratic policy was likely the driver. 2A02:8108:483F:D734:19B2:59CC:B5BF:D217 (talk) 23:06, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

I will remove the tags if articulable arguments other than WP:IDONTLIKEIT are not soon presented. soibangla (talk) 03:58, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

"the narrative that they are better stewards of the economy" Is this a belated April Fools' Day joke? I live in Greece and my overall impression is that the Republican terms in office are always associated with a financial crisis. See for example the List of recessions in the United States:

• • Warren G. Harding: Depression of 1920–1921.
  • Herbert Hoover: Great Depression.
  • Dwight D. Eisenhower: Recession of 1953, Recession of 1958, Recession of 1960–1961.
  • Richard Nixon: Recession of 1969–1970, 1973–1975 recession.
  • Gerald Ford: 1973–1975 recession.
  • Ronald Reagan: Early 1980s recession in the United States.
  • George H. W. Bush: Early 1990s recession in the United States.
  • George W. Bush: Early 2000s recession, Great Recession.
  • Donald Trump: COVID-19 recession. Dimadick (talk) 09:58, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

Has anyone cross-referenced the data points presented.

I tried recreating the same data per the bls website on unemployment rates start and ending per president and was not able to get the same data points as presented. Not sure if there are multiple tables presenting unemployment rates on bls website but the only one I could find did not match the data reported in this entry. I did not try to cross-reference the other tables to the source but it makes all suspect to my mind. 2601:601:D27F:11B0:A519:F0D5:1F7A:62EE (talk) 07:32, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

I just checked each president from Eisenhower through Trump and they are all correct, assuming each president starts in January (except for LBJ and Ford) though the starting point is arguably February because BLS surveys are complete before January 20, even though the results are published on the first Friday of February, so the January number actually belongs to the outgoing president. but most people don't know this, so if we don't start with the inauguration month they'll think something is wrong.

can you give me some examples of values that didn't match for you? also, there are multiple unemployment rates, you need to be sure you're using the U-3 series that everyone talks about.

btw, FRED is better to use. same BLS data, much nicer interface.

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/UNRATE soibangla (talk) 08:16, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your detailed response. I do not think I was on the U-3 table! 2601:601:D27F:11B0:A519:F0D5:1F7A:62EE (talk) 14:53, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

Proposal to broaden topic

The article topic (which is strangely selected, with no corresponding articles describing other aspects of economic performance by political party) introduces WP:UNDUE into the article, as only the presidential party is considered in the article. As there is no corresponding article about U.S. economic performance by congressional party, nor a more general one about U.S. economic performance by political party in general, this article should be broadened to concern "U.S. economic performance by political party" rather than just presidential party. Anotherperson123 (talk) 05:19, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

Someone switched the party names

Yesterday this article was about how economic performance tends to be better under Democrats, and this morning it says it tends to be better under Republicans. The entire article has changed, and the party names have been switched. (E.g. 10 of the last 11 recessions started under Republican leadership, not democrat). I can see that someone edited it 4 hours ago so I'm guessing they changed the article. Please correct it to the previous version. Below is another Wikipedia article with correct information.

https://simple.m.wiki.x.io/wiki/U.S._economic_performance_under_Democratic_and_Republican_presidents 67.171.164.112 (talk) 16:28, 22 November 2024 (UTC)