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Former good article nomineeHardcore punk was a Music good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There may be suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
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Current status: Former good article nominee

Hip-hop?

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there needs to be a clearer distinction of how hip hop influenced hardcore, maybe the mentioning of bands like: fury of five, downset, biohazard, cold as life, boxcutter, skarhead, icepick and stout may possibly help

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Cringe kid Erik

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"The cringe kid Erik" became famous, when he made his first appearance on "Mate are you sleeping naked?". Since then has he made hes appearance on his new born YouTube channel "Erik Kjær". His first video is titled "Lil Pump- Gucci Gang ft. Prince". In about 15 minutes within he uploaded the video on the world famous social media YouTube, 78 users watched the music video. He has since announced that he is going to make another music video, but he claimed that he had no idea which song yet.

Orphaned references in Hardcore punk

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I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Hardcore punk's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "Radio":

  • From Heavy hardcore: "5 Under the Radar Metal Bands That Are Pushing Boundaries". Radio.com. October 21, 2013. Retrieved November 11, 2017.
  • From The Exploited: "Top 5 Songs Hating On Margaret Thatcher". Radio.com.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 12:52, 2 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

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Reviewer: Vaticidalprophet (talk · contribs) 15:10, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Picking this up. Am aware of the two prior quickfails, but they're a while ago now. This is a long article, and it may take some time to return with a review. Vaticidalprophet 15:10, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, Hoponpop69, I'm actually going to be taking over this review from Vaticidalprophet. Fear not, I'm a certified Hardcore Kid and I should get to this review by the end of the week, grad school nonsense willing. — GhostRiver 14:37, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant ()
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Infobox and lede

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Characteristics

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Musical elements

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Dancing

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Fashion

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Politics

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Demographics

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Record labels

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Etymology

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History

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Late 1970s and early 1980s

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United States
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Canada
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United Kingdom
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Other countries
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Mid-to-late 1980s

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1990s and 2000s

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Digital influence
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Straight edge and hardline
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Mainstream success
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2010s

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2020s

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  • None of the references in this section are formatted properly
  • I think "difficult" is an understatement -- maybe specify the closing of venues and other restrictions that prevent physical shows from occurring
  • Band and record label presence on Instagram, along with hardcore podcasts like Axe To Grind, zines, and video content from videographers like hardcore archivist Sunny Singh of Hate5Six have helped the hardcore community stay connected during an unprecedented era of social distancing. This reads a bit promotional at the moment. Maybe try something like "With social distancing limiting the availability of physical interactions, the hardcore community has relied on social media activity, podcasting, zines, and video content to stay connected virtually."
  • Why did these hardcore groups gain mainstream attention during the pandemic era?

Influence

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Fusion and subgenres

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References

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General comments

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  • Very few of the references are formatted properly. Please use the cite tags provided in the editing space rather than applying your own style.

Ok, I'm going to level with you. This article, as it stands, is written like a research paper moreso than an encyclopedia. The reason that most of the sections aren't filled out is because I noticed a lot of broad, overarching problems that I'd just repeat every time:

  • References: very few, if any, are properly formatted, with some bare links.
  • Reliable sources: WP:ALLMUSIC prefers that, whenever possible, you use a non-AllMusic source. Beyond that, there are several blog posts and other non-reliable sources like IMDb.
  • Prose, broadness, and focus: This is the biggest problem I see. Very few sections are developed beyond a list of bands. It's more useful to have a history of how a scene developed in a particular time and place than to list out all of the examples. I think the strongest showing of this is in the "other American regions" subhead: okay, we have a list of Minneapolis bands, but what makes Minneapolis hardcore special/different? How did it develop? There's also an overreliance on direct quotes that, again, I feel would be better served in a research paper than in the context of a Wikipedia article.

Regrettably, I'm going to have to fail this article, as the issues are overarching enough that they go beyond what a GA reviewer is asked to fix. I would recommend looking at some music GAs and FAs to get a better sense of what this prose looks like. — GhostRiver 22:24, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Agree. And the whole entry is skewed to being 90% about the US as though it was the only originator and home of hardcore. It does not acknowledge the massive influence of the crucial hardcore bands crass and discharge; it takes no interest in the European hardcore scene and only a nod to the Asian and South American scenes. And yes, it looks like a civilian wrote this. Mswestbrom (talk) 14:34, 21 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I suspect getting this article to GA status will be quite difficult. Every time I look at it, something new raises an eyebrow. (Today it was “Knoxville.) Morganfitzp (talk) 21:17, 13 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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