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On Augusr 29, 2020, it was proposed that this article be moved from New York Hospital to Weill Cornell Medical Center. The result of the discussion was moved.

Requested move 29 August 2020

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved per discussion below. —usernamekiran (talk) 04:35, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

New York Hospital → Weill Cornell Medical Center – per WP:UCRN Andrew nyr (talk, contribs) 22:39, 29 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Andrew nyr: I am replying following a request at WikiProject Hospitals. Can you provide evidence? I am just looking - this organization seems to have several names. I think it calls itself "NewYork-Presbyterian", but also "New York Hospital", and I do not quickly see a lot of use of that name you are proposing. What are you seeing and what do you know about this? Blue Rasberry (talk) 15:54, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose A Google Trends search shows that New York Hospital is used 19x more frequently than Weill Cornell Medical Center, so the common name policy supports the current title. ItsPugle (please ping on reply) 23:21, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support per comment. I thought it was properly called the New York Hospital but it' not. ItsPugle (please ping on reply) 10:39, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment @Bluerasberry and ItsPugle:The people searching that are definitely searching for "a hospital in new york" evidenced by the related searches on the page. It was renamed to Weill Cornell Medical Center back in 1997. To quote WP:UCRN "If the reliable sources written after the change is announced routinely use the new name, Wikipedia should follow suit and change relevant titles to match. If, on the other hand, reliable sources written after the name change is announced continue to use the established name, Wikipedia should continue to do so as well, as described above in "Use commonly recognizable names"." No news sources or publications ever use the name "New York Hospital," they have all switched over to Weill Cornell Medical Center, or the alternate name NewYork-Presbyterian/ Cornell. This is an easy case as the name change policy clearly defines that this name should be changed. Andrew nyr (talk, contribs) 02:21, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Andrew nyr: Gotcha. The entire way US hospitals work is a bit of a mystery to me I will admit. ItsPugle (please ping on reply) 10:39, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I simply am confused. The organization seems to go by the name "NewYork-Presbyterian". I support that as a name change. In some documentation the organization also goes by "New York Hospital". That seems like a reasonable main name or at least an alternative name to note at the top. I do not expect a lot of data or complicated explanation, but Weill Cornell Medicine looks like a different institution with an affiliation and not the same as what this place is. Why do you say that "Weill Cornell Medical Center" is the common name? Blue Rasberry (talk) 16:18, 1 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Bluerasberry: The hospital used to be named New York Hospital before a merger with another hospital that created a health system named "NewYork-Presbyterian." The individual hospital is officially NYP/Weill Cornell Medical Center but we usually dont include the name of the health system in the title. Weill Cornell Medicine is the branch of the medical school at Cornell University that provides education to the hospital. This is from the official website.^[1] Also, all news sources published after 2001ish use the new name to differentiate between the other hospitals in the system. As I said above WP:UCRN clarifies that when news sources published after the name change use the new name, the article should be changed to match that name. Andrew nyr (talk, contribs) 19:55, 1 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

~~Opposed~~ New York Hospital has a complex history and undergone many name changes and mergers over the years. While the official name of the building complex or the organization that occupies it may have changed, I am not sure that the average patient/local resident/visiting doctor has caught up to the latest branding change, so the common name policy would apply here. If we are to go by WP:OFFICIALNAMES then name change would be "NewYork-Presbyterian / Weill Cornell Medical Center", which is what it is referred to on their website [1]. (By the way - note that they spell it as "NewYork-Presbyterian", not ""New York-Presbyterian.)--HugoHelp (talk) 16:46, 1 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@HugoHelp: Honestly, I don't think people can really be that confused... it was renamed in 97 or 98 and literally all media sources mentioning this hospital go by the new name or a close version. Please read the name change policy of WP:UCRN. This clearly qualifies. Andrew nyr (talk, contribs) 19:55, 1 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Andrew nyr: Withdrawing my opposition.--HugoHelp (talk) 15:57, 4 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

good move Blue Rasberry (talk) 13:15, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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