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Sources on "We Have Never Been Woke"

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There are presently way too many citations that do nothing sitting pretty. I'm keeping the links here for future use:

Ornov Ganguly TALK 22:20, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Did you know nomination

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  • ... that Musa al-Gharbi has argued since the 2016 election of Donald Trump that media outlets including The New York Times opinion page and MSNBC have failed to understand his supporters?
  • Source: "For the past four years, Al-Gharbi tried to tell anyone who would listen that Trump supporters did not in fact fit the sociological profile offered on The New York Times opinion page or on MSNBC’s nightly pearl-clutching roundtables." Tablet
Created by Thriley (talk) and Oganguly (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 148 past nominations.

Thriley (talk) 07:16, 18 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems

Hook eligibility:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Regards, Aafi (talk) 15:57, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Although all checks are okay, I am not happy with how the proposed hook is worded? 183 characters is quite close to 200. Could you please suggest a few more hooks? Regards, Aafi (talk) 15:57, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Thriley: Please address the above.--Launchballer 12:20, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Aafi: is there something wrong with the hook aside from its length? Thriley (talk) 17:01, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

At a glance, I'd lose "including The New York Times opinion page and MSNBC" and "since the 2016 election of Donald Trump" for concision, obviously replacing "his" with "Donald Trump's". (I wouldn't wikilink "his supporters" per MOS:EGG.)--Launchballer 21:26, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Per WP:DYKTRIM, I was thinking along the lines of ALT1a: ... that Musa al-Gharbi has argued that media outlets have failed to understand supporters of Donald Trump?.--Launchballer 22:26, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I am good with Launchballer proposed Alt1a, if Thriley doesn't have any objections to this, I would be glad to pass this one. Regards, Aafi (talk) 07:28, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Alt1a is not accurate. He is calling out specific media outlets. Thriley (talk) 12:41, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What if we tweak it to something like, "several media outlets", which could make the case easily? Regards, Aafi (talk) 12:54, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ALT1b: ... that Musa al-Gharbi has argued that several media outlets have failed to understand supporters of Donald Trump?--Launchballer 12:57, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This hook is too broad. He is specifically calling out liberal media outlets. Thriley (talk) 13:04, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The source doesn't mention that either The New York Times or MSNBC are liberal and I think their leanings are extraneous and would qualify for trimming.--Launchballer 03:08, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Right. I would also suggest removing the image until we have permissions. Regards, Aafi (talk) 12:31, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Both of the outlets are part of the class of "symbolic capitalists" al-Gharbi describes in his book. To specify the outlets is essential. There's probably a better hook I can come up with. Will add it in the next 12 hours. Thriley (talk) 16:30, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thriley Its been 3 days since your comment, "Will add it in the next 12 hours". Regards, Aafi (talk) 08:43, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ALT2 ... that Musa al-Gharbi argues that the U.S. is dominated by "symbolic capitalists"?
ALT3 ... that Musa al-Gharbi argues that "symbolic capitalists" support social justice movements to amass social currency?
ALT4 ... that one-time aspiring Catholic priest Musa al-Gharbi later converted to Islam?
ALT5 ... that Musa al-Gharbi once wrote that U.S. presence was worse for the Middle East than ISIS?
ALT6 ... that Musa al-Gharbi was too qualified to manage a store's shoe department? Bremps... 16:50, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And use as the image hook; it is indisputably free. Bremps... 16:36, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Bremps: Thank you for the alt hooks. They are all ok, but I want to run something that details his work a bit more and draws readers. Thriley (talk) 22:31, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
User:Thriley, the hook must comply with WP:DYKBLP (no hooks dedicated solely to unduly negative aspects of a person's character) and WP:DYKHOOKCITE, as there's nothing on K. Harris in the article. This hook won't fly. Also, I'd caution against your first proposed hooks, as they're pretty common political sentiments. Bremps... 01:15, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]


Potential sock-puppetry/self-edits

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Just wanted to note that this page contains IP address edits that trace back to Stony Brook New York - the city that Musa al-Gharbi is currently listed as being a professor in. While it cannot be confirmed that these edits are Al-Gharbi himself (or an associate), please keep it in mind given the potentially contentious subject matter. A MINOTAUR (talk) 03:15, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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