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Proposition of changing table from 50 to a 100

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

Just today I realized that it will good thing to change the table from 50 games to a 100. The reason behind it is that majority of those games in List of best-selling video games are franchises. I have a feeling that instead of removing games every time it gets over 50 such as in this edit, it will be better to add games to the table. As a courtesy, the discussion regarding my proposition can be found on my talkpage.

Regards,

--Biografer (talk) 01:34, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

There's two ways to approach a list of this nature, such as "best-selling" whatevers. 1) Limit to games over an arbitary money limit, i.e. "more than 10 million". This means the list can grow arbitarily large, especially as inflation is accounted for or simply more games exist. 2) Limit to the top X number of games, so that it is always the "X best-selling games". This is what we're currently doing. While 50 or 100 is always arbitary, it's also to help cultivate the list and prevent the page for being an unwieldy/unmaintainable test. This list used to contain over a dozen tables with dozens of entries each, until it was reorganized and cleaned up a couple of years ago. Without a compelling reason to expand, I think 50 is fine. Changing to 100 wouldn't change the core concept: Once it hit 100, we'll start removing games then too. -- ferret (talk) 01:38, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

I also think 50 is fine. It's not that often than a game sells over 15 million copies, so I don't see removing games once they enter the top 50 as an issue. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 06:27, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

Odd thing is is that it is rather often that a game exceeds 15 million copies. All the games listed are franchises (or are part of). I must assure you, that there is over a 100 games that were sold over 15 million copies, and our readers would like to know that info. Instead, we hide it from them. Seems illogical in my opinion.--Biografer (talk) 15:47, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

Not sure where you're getting the idea of this being a list of franchises. They are all individual games, with the possible exceptions of Tetris and Frogger. That they are entries in a franchise is irrelevant. We have a separate list for List of best-selling video game franchises as a whole. Also, if it is so often for video games to hit the 15 million mark, then it isn't all that remarkable and doesn't really convey "best selling". Bottom line is that "100" is no less arbitrary than "50", and dilutes "best-selling" to a lesser range. -- ferret (talk) 15:50, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

@Ferret: Mario Kart 7 and Mario Kart 8 (both are listed in the list) are part of Mario Kart series (aka franchise). That is how I got the feeling that its a list of games by franchise (sorry for inconvenience). If as you say Also, if it is so often for video games to hit the 15 million mark, then it isn't all that remarkable and doesn't really convey "best selling", then explain to me how would our readers know if for example Red Dead Redemption made a 15 million dollar mark, if we will remove it from the list? Maybe we should introduce gross parameter in video game infobox as we have for the movies? Like, wouldn't our readers care?--Biografer (talk) 17:37, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

As a side note, I was looking over the Mario Kart franchise and found out that both Mario Kart DS and Mario Kart Wii grossed over 20 million copies. See for yourself. So, that means that we should remove the last 2 Call of Duty games... and, who knows maybe tomorrow we will find more games that grossed over than 15 million copies threshold and we will need to restructure the whole list all over again. Do you understand what I am getting at? It will be very mundane and disruptive.--Biografer (talk) 17:53, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

But if we had it at a 100, then we would be doing this even more often, so your own suggestion would be "disruptive" too. What about instead of listing by fixed number, we just add games that has sold 15 million or more? And if that list is too large, then start at 20? ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 23:17, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

@Dissident93: Even better, make the list to be 25.--Biografer (talk) 15:15, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

How is limiting it to a specific number better than just a certain sales figure? ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 16:55, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

Because our readers care about the best of the best, not 50 best games that were sold for X money. :)--Biografer (talk) 00:14, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

Just want to be sure I understand. You've changed your position from expand to 100 to reduce to 25? -- ferret (talk) 00:37, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

Yes. Since you said that a 100 is too much to maintain, and 50 might be the same. Our readers will care about best of the best either way. ;)--Biografer (talk) 00:48, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

I'm fine with 50. It hasn't really caused any discussion in the 2-ish years that it's been done this way, and no real compelling argument is presented to change it. It's just as arbitrary to change it as to keep it. -- ferret (talk) 01:33, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

The thing is is that @Dissident93: had suggested me to start at 20 million if the thing will get too large. As I see, if we will decrease it to 20 million then it will almost the same as decreasing the whole thing to 25 games. Its a win-win, trust me.--Biografer (talk) 02:01, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

I only offered it as an alternative suggestion. But now that I think more about it, do we know approximately how many games have sold 10 million? If it were under 100, then I would suggest we list by that instead of any arbitrary ranking cap. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 06:52, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

Unable to find comprehensive details list of game fundamentals

I'm wondering why on any of these lists I am unable to find the simple yet vitally important distinction between the main subsets in game-play categories of FIRST-PERSON ONLY, THIRD-PERSON ONLY, and BOTH FIRST AND THIRD PERSON OPTIONS AVAILABLE!

This to me seems like a VERY important fundamental of any game to miss. Whenever I look for a game - and I am looking for certain games based SOLELY on these criteria - it sometimes takes me over an hour to figure out which of the three above categories any particular game might be included in, (except of course if it states "first-person shooter" under GENRE - unless again of course the third-person option is ALSO available in the same game yet has completely been ignored).

In my opinion "shooter game" is one thing, as is "role play" or "fighting", and 'first-person", "third-person", or "BOTH first AND third" options of game-play are completely another.

I absolutely appreciate the fact of there being any comprehensive comparison game-lists in existence at all, yet somehow I feel this type of more detailed categorization might have long ago become a standard template for anyone looking to get themselves a new game without running the all too real risk of buying one they then find completely unplayable because it does not fit their criteria for a compelling and immersive experience.

I'm sorry I don't have the time to do this myself.

My humble suggestions for a more detailed breakdown of game fundamentals might be as follows...

GAME-PLAY FORMAT... ⚫ Open World ⚫ Semi-Open World ⚫ Linear

(Sub categories here might include "linear story line mission/quests" and "random order multiple outcomes and endings", just to name a couple).

GAME-PLAY EXPERIENCE... ⚫ First Person ⚫ Third Person ⚫ Top Down ⚫ Side Scrolling or Side View (I'm really not familiar with the proper terms here). ⚫ Character Building

Other... (whatever else there is out there that might be included in some of the lists here).

Whenever I personally look for a game I am basically looking for TWO specific things I can never find on any proper list... Is it an OPEN WORD GAME, and does it have a THIRD-PERSON OPTION? Weather it's a shooter or an RPG is secondary to me - I'll play anything as long as it's in an explorable open world environment, and unfortunately "first-person only" games make me dizzy and nauseous so I am unable to enjoy them in the least. (It's so sad I can't play any of the Open Far Cry Worlds, they look like so much fun to me).

Please help. I think we could all use some good game-lists with a little more detailed basic information in them. (I'm going to post this on a couple of other game-list's "talk pages", which also weren't able to help me find the kinds of games I am specifically looking for).

⚫ Kuyoti (talk) 13:39, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

• We might include genres in some of these lists, but we don't list by character/camera perspective. "Semi-open world" and "linear" sound like they would be hard to source, even if we wanted to do this. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 20:25, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
• As explained at WT:VG, this isn’t really appropriate for Wikipedia. No offense, but I’d start more with learning what Wikipedia is, and how it functions, before making massive proposals like this. That may help you realize why certain things don’t exist already on Wikipedia. Sergecross73 msg me 21:12, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 September 2018

roblox not on list fortnite not on list 96.230.48.100 (talk) 12:37, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

 Not done Roblox isn't a game. Fortnite is free to download, it does not get "sold". Fish+Karate 13:10, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

Fortnite: Save the World does get sold, however, Epic Games only reports registered accounts, making it unsuitable for this list anyway. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 17:46, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

Ranks versus games

@Dissident93: Regarding this edit note, I would say it's "50 games" not "50 ranks". But no strong feeling. -- ferret (talk) 22:07, 20 September 2018 (UTC)

• Yeah that's fine, I just noted an inconsistency in the formatting and wasn't sure how long it had been like this. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 20:26, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

• Solved by removing the rank column, which is redundant with sorting by sales. -- ferret (talk) 21:38, 25 September 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 September 2018

Pete Hines said on twitter a long time ago that Fallout 4 is now their most successful games and it's not on this list since Skyrim is listed @ 30 Mil I would suggest fallout 4 to be put at 30,5 Mil

Yustforfun (talk) 21:05, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

References

 Not done: They have never released a figure, and we cannot assume "30.5" because "more than Skyrim". That would be original research -- ferret (talk) 21:10, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

Terraria sales figures are out of date - they should be updated

As of 1 October 2018 the latest published sales figures for Terraria stand at 25,000,000. The article currently lists their sales as 20,000,000. This is significant as it jumps the game from 32nd to joint 18th - which is a large leap upwards!

Sampoirier26 (talk) 14:19, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

References

Terraria Developer & Publisher Re-Logic does not link to the Re-Logic Wikipedia page

The developer and publisher fields of the article for Terraria are listed as 'Re-Logic' but do not link to the Re-Logic Wikipedia page: http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Re-Logic, they should be updated to link there.

Sampoirier26 (talk) 14:23, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

 Done for both, but next time just make a single request for both changes. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 20:33, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

The Last Of Us

The last of us isn't a multi platform game, it's a playstation exclusive game

• Appeared on both the PS3 and PS4, so technically it is. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 18:20, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 October 2018

Change the last of us from multi platform to playstation exclusive JustynHart (talk) 07:01, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

 Done -- ferret (talk) 11:44, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

Undone per Dissident's comment -- ferret (talk) 18:31, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 October 2018

Add Diablo 3 to the list. 79.178.105.28 (talk) 21:25, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. -- ferret (talk) 21:28, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

R6 Siege & For Honor Sales

Yesterday Ubisoft released their Q3 earnings and in that conference stated that R6 Siege has 40 Mill users and For honor 15 Mill

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Yustforfun (talk • contribs) 02:36, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

References

Users, not sales. See List of most-played video games by player count instead. -- ferret (talk) 02:40, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

Update Tetris sales

Tetris sales need to be updated. RedstoneMCGamer (talk) 15:03, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 December 2018

Diablo III 93.31.6.251 (talk) 23:51, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. DannyS712 (talk) 00:17, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

Add Witcher 3 - Wild Hunt

Witcher 3 Wild Hunt has sold 33 million copies by the end of 2017.

Sources: http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/The_Witcher_3:_Wild_Hunt#cite_ref-Harradence-Mar2018_103-0 http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/The_Witcher_3:_Wild_Hunt#cite_ref-Wccftech-Mar2018_104-0 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mawerick mc (talk • contribs) 15:45, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

Those references cover "the series as a whole". We do not know the exact individual sales of Witcher III. -- ferret (talk) 15:51, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 December 2018

I'm trying to edit what you've gotten wrong. Call of Duty: Black Ops 4 is now the 8th most sold game of all time. Theblackhawk555 (talk) 21:24, 8 December 2018 (UTC)

• And yet you didn't provide a source. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 21:52, 8 December 2018 (UTC)

2015

in this list, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2016, 2017 and 2018 all have best-selling games, but why theres not a single game from 2015? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.54.76.66 (talk) 17:57, 12 December 2018 (UTC)

The simple answer is, we aren't aware of one. If you know a game that happened to be released in 2015 and has a reliable source for the copies sold (>15 million), feel free to let us know. -- ferret (talk) 17:59, 12 December 2018 (UTC)

We could assume Witcher 3 would be one of the top selling games that year, but as seen above, they haven't given official numbers for it yet, and maybe never will. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 20:43, 12 December 2018 (UTC)

i think that Fallout 4 is maybe sold at least 15 million. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.230.102.110 (talk) 08:00, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

It might have, but Bethesda hasn't released the figures, so we cannot include it. -- ferret (talk) 15:01, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

Diablo 3 should be added to the list

Diablo 3 has sold at least 30M copies. Source is Blizzard's quarterly reports for second-quarter 2015, page 3:

"Diablo III has now sold-through over 30 million units life-to-date globally."

This is also cited on the Wikipedia page for Diablo 3.

I am new to Wikipedia, please excuse me if I have made this section incorrectly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Warsage (talk • contribs) 00:52, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

 Done ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 18:22, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

@Dissident93: This was removed in the past as Blizzard seemed to be add Diablo III and Reaper of Souls together. I.e. 5 million of each = 10 million sales. I'm not sure that's really clarified here. -- ferret (talk) 19:36, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

Where exactly does it state that? The PDF brought up just says "Diablo III has now sold through over 30 million units life to date globally." ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 00:28, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

Not in this one, just that in the past, the announcements have always combined. -- ferret (talk) 00:33, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

Not saying you or the publications are wrong, but if this PDF was the original source, then where is the claim that they sold 30 million together coming from? ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 21:55, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 31 December 2018

Pokémon Red/Blue/Yellow The title is wrong. There are 4 versions (Red, Green, Blue and Yellow) by source. 180.217.152.92 (talk) 10:13, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

 Done ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 19:00, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

Combined re-releases/ports

Several times are now combining years worth of remakes and ports as a single title. Pokemon and Super Mario 64 are the two primary examples. Is this what we should be doing here?

Can we really say Pokemon Blue/Red/Yellow are the "same" game as FireRed/LeafGreen and the Let's Go! switch releases? -- ferret (talk) 12:58, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

As happy as I am to see the mentioned games so high on the list, I agree with @Ferret: in that they should not be combined like they currently are. It is misleading to bloat their sales to that extent. I feel that ports are inevitable to include, but remakes should not be considered as contributing to the sales of the originals. --Bchill53 (talk) 00:04, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

I definitely agree with splitting them again. Pokémon Red and Blue are very similar games, same console release, same art style, same setting, same plot, etc. Main difference only being box art and probably some Pokémon swapped around here and there. But LeafGreen and FireRed are clearly different and the same is the case for Pokémon: Let's Go, Pikachu! and Let's Go, Eevee! I think it'd be best to follow the standard that the Nintendo IR website follows. They do combine sales for Pokémon titles that are similar (see Pokémon X and Y, Pokémon Sun and Moon, etc.), but don't combine sales of Pokémon games that are follow-ups (e.g. Pokémon Platinum, Pokémon Black 2 and White 2). Similarly they don't consider Super Mario 64 and Super Mario 64 DS the same game either. This also means that we stick closely to WP:NOR. Stefvanschie (talk) 09:51, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

• Keep R/B/Y, FR/LG, and Let's Go split from each other. They are not emulated versions of each other. They are different games, built on different engines, marketed as different games, and therefore different products. The are only similar in the fictional details of the story they tell.

Remakes (like Super Mario 64 DS) are also different games, and therefore should be treated as different products.

That said, I think emulated sales are OK to include, such as R/B/Y on the 3DS. Perhaps a column should signify original platform sales, and other signifies re-release sales. TarkusAB^talk 16:28, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

As much as it's interesting to see combined sales on this list, it's also considered WP:OR, as Stefvanschie described above. Keep each remake separate from the originals, as they each have different reported sales figures from each other. Jalen D. Folf (talk) 16:34, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

I don't think combining sales figures is original research. Adding two sales figures together is basic arithmetic, which Wikipedia does not consider to be original research. --Tsbuilderboy (talk) 00:08, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

The OR is in deciding the games represent the "same" game, despite the publisher not grouping them together, and therefore should be added together. Not in the calculation itself. -- ferret (talk) 00:58, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

I have completed unbundling/reversing the changes from Jan 2019 that did this. There's two that I did not do yet, want more opinions: Wii Fit and Wii Fit Plus, as well as Sun/Moon and Ultra Sun/Ultra Moon. -- ferret (talk) 17:04, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

@Ferret: I would say Wii Fit and Wii Fit Plus go together as one. From my memory, it was effectively a rerelease with a few new minigames as the "Complete Edition" just labeled from "Wii Fit" -> "Wii Fit Plus", similar in my mind to "Hyrule Warriors" -> "Hyrule Warriors: Definitive Edition" rerelease. I'm on the fence about Ultra Sun/Moon though. I would consider them separate games, but I'm sure someone could argue against that using the point I just used for Wii Fit to Plus... --Bchill53 (talk) 17:21, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

I'd personally split both Sun and Moon and Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon into different sections, but that's because I'd personally stick to the IR page. However, games like Pokémon Yellow, Crystal, Emerald, Platinum etc. are also the follow-ups of their respective generations and are currently grouped together, so if we're aiming for consistency within the page, I'd group them together. Either way, I think the decision we take on splitting/grouping Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon should probably be also reflected in Black 2 and White 2. For Wii Fit and Wii Fit Plus I'd also separate them for the same reason that the IR page separates them, but I wouldn't mind grouping them either since they're so similar. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stefvanschie (talk • contribs) 14:37, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

I think it'd make more sense to join them together. --Tsbuilderboy (talk) 18:42, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

Call of Duty series need update

• Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 (2011) 30.71 million

• Call of Duty: Black Ops (2010) 30.4 million

• Call of Duty: Black Ops II (2012) 29.59 million

• Call of Duty: Ghosts (2013) 28.8 million

• Call of Duty: Black Ops 3 (2015) 26.72 million

• Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 (2009) 25.02 million

• Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare (2014) 21.78 million

• Call of Duty: WWII (2017) 19.82 million

• Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare (2007) 17.28 million

• Call of Duty: World at War (2008) 15.05 million

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.39.24.217 (talk) 21:18, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

References

 Not done Statista.com is not a reliable source, and lists their source for this as VGChartz, which is also an unreliable source and known for inaccuracies. -- ferret (talk) 00:16, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

Tetris

--2003:C6:E728:6086:D16A:523B:245A:141E (talk) 21:46, 3 January 2019 (UTC) This is a adjusted quotation of a YouTube video about the best selling video games of all time: Many consoles has a variant of Tetris on it. The list of best-selling video games claims that Tetris itself developed by Elektronorgtechnica and published by Spectrum HoloByte has sold 170,000,000 times. People are considering the entire Tetris franchise as one game and thus justifying it being the best-selling video game of all time. Here's my problem with this statement: Yes, there have been multi-platform variants of Tetris that are considered the same video game but on a different platform. Tetris on the NES and Nintendo Game Boy is the easiest example of this. These are basically the same games on different platforms. But would you consider Tetris DS, Tetris Splash, Tetris Battle Gaiden, Puyo Puyo Tetris, 3D Tetris or any other variant of Tetris the same video game? They all have different visuals, sound design, development teams, modes, gameplay tweak, publishers. I'd argue that some of these different variants of Tetris have more differences of each other than other entries in game series. My point is, I think it's kind of lame that the entire Tetris franchise is considered just one game in the list of best-selling video game while other series are not. Yeah, Tetris Effect is fundamentally the same game at its core as Tetris on the Game Boy but Wii Fit and Wii Fit Plus are considered different games on the list.

What's counted are their direct boxed sales (70 million) and their official mobile game, which I found had been sold 435 million times by 2014. So you're right, it's wrong. It should be 505 million. By the way, you may think that's unfair when there are variations on mobile, but they're still in nearly every way the same. Wii Fit Plus has different content from Wii Fit and, more importantly, was released independently under a different title, making it a different game. Forbes says it's 495 million, and Business Insider says over 500 million based on this article, which includes the figures I gave. Prinsgezinde (talk) 20:34, 21 January 2019 (UTC)

The mobile game is not the same game, no matter how much you want to say it is. And why exactly are we counting a mobile game? Are you ignoring the multitude of other mobile games that have sold a lot? The 500 million figure is also completely incorrect, with the mobile game selling 100 million according to EA themselves. The "same title vs different title" arguement is the most absurd thing I've seen about this issue. As of now, the Link's Awakening remake is called the same thing as the original. It has the same content but different graphics. Is it the same game? God of War? Spider-Man? The mobile version of Tetris is nothing like Tetris on the Gameboy even, where are you getting THAT from? It has different graphics, different modes, different developers, and a completely different control scheme. Honestly, with the amount of times this page has been referenced in official articles and entertainment, this has to be THE most misleading post on Wikipedia. 98.116.184.165 (talk) 21:09, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

I explained why Henk Rogers' 400M+ claim is highly dubious in the archives: "Firstly, the main Tetris article itself mentions 170 million, with the 425 million mobile figure nowhere to be found there. Secondly, the 425 million figure comes exclusively from a single primary source, Henk Rogers, and has never been backed by any independent sources other than Rogers, or by any official press releases from EA or Blue Planet Software. Thirdly, Tetris had sold 100 million mobile downloads through to 2010, according to official confirmation from EA and Blue Planet Software. And yet, in 2014, Rogers claims that it sold 425 million, which would mean it would've quadrupled in sales, selling an additional 325 million in four years between 2010 and 2014, which is highly implausible. If it really did sell that many, then there should've been some kind of press release from EA or Blue Planet Software to confirm it, or independent mobile app trackers backing that number up, yet all we have is just a single claim from Rogers in an interview on the VentureBeat website." Maestro2016 (talk) 10:20, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

Pokemon Black/White/Black 2/White 2 are missing from this list

Pokemon Black, White, Black 2 and White 2 are missing on this list. They have a combined total of approximately 23.45 million sales, placing it between Mario Kart 8 and Mario Kart DS. (Pokemon Black and White with 15.64 million, and Black 2 and White 2 with 7.81 million, sources are their respective Wikipedia pages, http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Pok%C3%A9mon_Black_and_White and http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Pok%C3%A9mon_Black_2_and_White_2)

To exclude these from the list would be inconsistent, as Sun/Moon are combined with Ultra Sun/Ultra Moon, Red/Green/Blue are combined with Yellow, etc.

--Tsbuilderboy (talk) 05:50, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

Surely you read the section just above this where we're discussing that combining the sales is inappropriate? -- ferret (talk) 12:27, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

Yes I have read it, that doesn't necessarily mean I agree with it. While I do think the Let's Go games should not be combined with Red/Green/Blue/Yellow, and FireRed/LeafGreen should be excluded as well, Black/White and Black 2/White 2 run on the same engine, with the same mechanics and the same characters. They are the same as Sun/Moon and Ultra Sun/Ultra Moon, Red/Green/Blue and Yellow, Gold/Silver and Crystal, Ruby/Sapphire and Emerald, and Diamond/Pearl and Platinum. While it makes sense that the remakes (FireRed/LeafGreen, HeartGold/SoulSilver, Omega Ruby/Alpha Sapphire) are not counted, the third (and fourth for Gen 5 and 7 games) installments are not remakes, and should not be treated as such. They are alternate versions of the same games. Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 were originally only going to be a third installment, Pokemon Grey, but the only reason that didn't happen was because it clashed with the whole idea of Black and White, which was opposing sides. --Tsbuilderboy (talk) 13:03, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

I think it'd be better if we first have consensus on whether we should combine the sales of such games or split them in the section above, before making any further edits regarding games that fall into the category as outlined in the section above. Stefvanschie (talk) 16:01, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

The thread above is talking about the remakes running on separate engines, such a RGBY and FireRed/LeafGreen. They group Yellow with Red/Green/Blue, placing them in the same section. Black 2 and White 2 are literally the Yellow of gen 5. This has no conflict with the above post. --Tsbuilderboy (talk) 23:50, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

Yes they run on the same engine but they are different games. B&W2 is set in new locations with different Pokemon, it's simply not the same game, and I don't see any sources combining their sales together. They are much more different than Yellow is to R/B/G. Yellow is like a hack of RBG, in that some sprites are different, Pikachu follows you, etc. but it's mostly the same game with the same locales and stuff, built on the same engine. Most importantly, sources discuss it as a version of R/B/G, they don't do so for B&W2. TarkusAB^talk 16:35, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

B2&W2 take place in the same locations with the same Pokemon, I don't know what you're talking about. Black 2 and White 2 is the same to Black and White as Yellow is to Red and Blue. It's running on the same engine, with slight changes to story and mechanics. Excluding Black 2 and White 2 sales from Black and White would be inconsistent form literally every other Pokemon entry in this list. As I have already said, Yellow, Crystal, Emerald, Platinum and Ultra Sun/Ultra Moon are all grouped with their primary counterparts, it quite frankly doesn't make sense not to group Black/White with Black 2/White 2. --Tsbuilderboy (talk) 23:48, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

They're not the same game. Black 2 and White 2 take place 2 years after the original and have a completely different story. Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon are not the same game. It has new content and new storylines. Don't reference other games on this page when those games are also incorrect. Should we even count Pokemon Yellow? It was made to be more similar to the anime, and thus has differences that would absolutely count it as a different game. The only time we should count Pokemon games together are the two that release at the same time. 98.116.184.165 (talk) 21:18, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Pokemon Black 2/White 2 are basically Pokemon Grey, but the only reason GameFreak decided against having a single "Grey" release, was because "the concept of Black and White was kind of these opposing forces – a yin-yang kind of thing. If [they] went with Gray, it would have moved away from that concept so [they] decided to keep the titles there." --Tsbuilderboy (talk) 23:55, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

But they're not the same games. Same locations (correct, vastly the same with a few new cities and routes), same Pokemon Pokemon from all generations as opposed to just Gen 5, different bosses, different main characters, different plots (that explicitly succeed the events from the first games), and I'm sure more. That is just as much saying that the Batman Arkham games are all the same since they run on Unreal Engine 3 and you fight Batman enemies. They are sequels in every sense of the word. I'm very pleased to see that you're so passionate about it, but I believe it'd be incorrect to call them the same games. --Bchill53 (talk) 00:04, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

Okay, but again, the same applies to Yellow, Crystal, Emerald, Platinum, and USUM. Every Pokemon from previous generations was present in Black and White, it was just the encounters that were changed. (Simply changing a few variables around.) Many of the same bosses from BW are present in B2W2, some with the same Pokemon as before. Every third- and fourth-entry Pokemon game has differences from their first and second counterparts, and yet they are all still counted except for Black 2 and White 2. Again, it's an inconsistency. If you can combine the sales of every single version of Tetris on the market, I think you can combine Black 2 and White 2. These four games have the same mechanics, same settings, same core coding, many of the same characters, and all of the same Pokemon. --Tsbuilderboy (talk) 00:24, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

References

Overwatch should be added to the list of of bestselling video games of all time

Overwatch has sold at least 40 Million Copies. sources: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rge4Wo508U, https://www.pcgamer.com/overwatch-has-more-than-40-million-players/ KennethRussell3 (talk) 04:52, 8 March 2019 (UTC)

• It does not say sold, it says 40 million players. See List of most-played video games by player count. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 05:13, 8 March 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. DannyS712 (talk) 06:34, 8 March 2019 (UTC)

Minecraft

I just found out that Minecraft has about 250,000,000 downloads. Since I am new to Wikipedia, I cannot edit this semi-protected page. Please update this, and if you can find a new accurate number of downloads for Tetris, please add that too. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zygarderm (talk • contribs) 16:18, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

This page is for best selling games, if the source states that it reached 250 million downloads we cannot include it, since the actual sales numbers might differ. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stefvanschie (talk • contribs) 16:40, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

Mario Kart 8 Deluxe

The game "Mario Kart 8 Deluxe" has sold 16,690,000 units, so it should be added between "The Last of Us Remastered" and "Pokémon X and Y".

70five (talk) 06:21, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

References

UPDATE: I just saw Mario Kart 8 and Deluxe are counted as the same game, so ignore this post – I'm new to Wikipedia and don't know how to delete things. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70five (talk • contribs) 06:30, 6 May 2019 (UTC) :/

Borderlands 2

Borderlands 2 should appears on this list as it has sold 20 millions copies (I didn't find the official source, but don't know where to look for exactly). 134.214.125.35 (talk) 13:01, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

Bailey, Dustin (May 13, 2019). "Borderlands has sold over 43 million copies". PCGamesN. Retrieved May 13, 2019.

 Done. Prefall 13:12, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

Tetris

The "170 million downloads" figure seems to be outdated. I'm looking for (actually) official sources to approximate the true number, which is almost certainly not below Minecraft, as suggested here: https://venturebeat.com/2014/04/07/mr-tetris-explains-why-the-puzzle-game-is-still-popular-after-three-decades-interview/ (2016). Dfcorrea00 (talk) 23:49, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

The number according to the Venture Beat website is 495 million (425 million being paid mobile downloads). Dfcorrea00 (talk) 23:51, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

• 2014 Dfcorrea00 (talk) 23:58, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

https://tetris.com/by-the-numbers This source suggests well over 500 billion, which confirms the previous source. This was updated November of '18, as referenced here: https://videogamesstats.com/tetris-stats-and-facts/ Dfcorrea00 (talk) 00:02, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

There are doubts of that figure's legitimacy. See Talk:List of best-selling video games/Archive 7#Tetris 2 for the rationale. Prefall 00:18, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

Would the Tetris website be too close to a "primary source"? Dfcorrea00 (talk) 07:11, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

& surely this number is higher after all these years; many articles are sourcing this page to claim Minecraft has surpassed Tetris, which almost certainly has yet to be accomplished. Dfcorrea00 (talk) 07:17, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

I'd also like to add that the https://tetris.com/by-the-numbers source doesn't state that much. The only thing you really can get from that is that Tetris has been sold more than 35 million times on the Game Boy. The half a billion downloads on mobile are downloads and not necessarily sales and "hundreds of millions of Tetris products" isn't necessarily games; it might very well be Tetris merchandise, or something like that. https://videogamesstats.com/tetris-stats-and-facts/ seems to have just copied the numbers from the Tetris website, so there isn't that much interesting there either.

I explained why Henk Rogers' 400M+ claim is highly dubious in the archives: "Firstly, the main Tetris article itself mentions 170 million, with the 425 million mobile figure nowhere to be found there. Secondly, the 425 million figure comes exclusively from a single primary source, Henk Rogers, and has never been backed by any independent sources other than Rogers, or by any official press releases from EA or Blue Planet Software. Thirdly, Tetris had sold 100 million mobile downloads through to 2010, according to official confirmation from EA and Blue Planet Software. And yet, in 2014, Rogers claims that it sold 425 million, which would mean it would've quadrupled in sales, selling an additional 325 million in four years between 2010 and 2014, which is highly implausible. If it really did sell that many, then there should've been some kind of press release from EA or Blue Planet Software to confirm it, or independent mobile app trackers backing that number up, yet all we have is just a single claim from Rogers in an interview on the VentureBeat website." Maestro2016 (talk) 00:18, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

pokemon r/b/g/y were bundled with consoles

pokemon red blue yellow and green were bundled with 2ds systems some time ago Additionaly pokemon yellow was sold bundled with a gameboy color console in the 90s

This editor is correct. The Pokemon Yellow Game Boy bundle can be seen here: https://gamefaqs.akamaized.net/box/8/8/7/307887_front.jpg . I'm changing the entry accordingly. Phediuk (talk) 20:01, 21 May 2019 (UTC)

New Super Mario Bros. was bundled with the DS, as can be seen here: https://www.engadget.com/gallery/ds-lite-new-super-mario-bros-bundle-unboxing-and-hands-on/ . Changing this entry. Phediuk (talk) 20:06, 21 May 2019 (UTC)

Wii Fit Plus was bundled with the Wii: http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2010/11/black_wii_fit_plus_bundle_steps_up_to_uk_on_december_3rd . Updating entry. Phediuk (talk) 20:11, 21 May 2019 (UTC)

Super Mario Land was bundled with the Game Boy Pocket: https://consolevariations.com/storage/images/variations/consoles/game-boy-pocket-super-mario-land-super-pack-bundle/large/game-boy-pocket-super-mario-land-super-pack-bundle-front-1554273363-82.JPG . Updating entry. Phediuk (talk) 20:15, 21 May 2019 (UTC)

Pokemon Crystal was bundled with the Game Boy Advance: https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51XHWHMW77L._SX425_.jpg . Updating entry. Phediuk (talk) 18:12, 23 May 2019 (UTC)

Pokemon Sun and Moon were bundled with the 2DS: https://www.express.co.uk/entertainment/gaming/736485/Black-Friday-2016-Nintendo-2DS-Pokemon-Sun-Moon-deal-Tesco . Phediuk (talk) 18:22, 23 May 2019 (UTC)

Pokemon Ruby and Sapphire were bundled with the GBA: https://www.gamekult.com/forum/t/gba-sp-collector-pour-leurope-pokemon-super-pack/43961 . Phediuk (talk) 18:25, 23 May 2019 (UTC)

Brain Age was bundled with the DS: https://www.engadget.com/2008/11/25/nintendo-adding-mario-red-ice-blue-ds-bundles-this-week/ . Phediuk (talk) 18:32, 23 May 2019 (UTC)

Pokemon Platinum was bundled with the DS Lite: https://www.engadget.com/2008/06/27/nintendo-japan-sent-out-giratina-ds-lite-ds-fanboy-fainted . Phediuk (talk) 18:45, 23 May 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 May 2019

Where is fortnite? It has over 250000000 players 180.150.123.254 (talk) 12:50, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Please see List of most-played video games by player count. —KuyaBriBri^Talk 13:40, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

Somebody didn't read the introduction. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 05:34, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 May 2019, Diablo III is a pack-in title with the switch

A official Diablo III Bundle exists for the Nintendo switch, and so the page should be altered to show this Citation : https://www.polygon.com/2018/10/15/17977968/diablo-3-nintendo-switch-bundle-gamestop https://store.nintendo.co.uk/nintendo-switch-console/nintendo-switch-diablo-iii-limited-edition-bundle/11921413.html Although the bundle most likely hasn’t affected the games overall sales much, the same can be said about Pokémon red/blue/green/yellow, and the last of us/remastered. 194.75.95.235 (talk) 11:45, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

 Done ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 03:36, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

Overwatch?

is not there — Preceding unsigned comment added by Patodesu (talk • contribs) 02:02, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

Because blizzard has never announced sales, only "registered players" which includes free weekends, betas, etc. -- ferret (talk) 02:07, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

"Tetris" is incorrect

It seems like it counts Tetris as one game, despite it being an entire franchise. Games like Tetris 2, Tetris Effect, Tetris DX, Tetris Splash, Tetris Battle Gaiden, Wordtris, and Tetris Attack should not be counted as ports of the same game, because they are different games in the same franchise. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kid Gamer (talk • contribs) 02:15, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

• I also agree, but it seems like consensus is to consider the entire series as a single-selling game since sources apparently tend to do that. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 15:39, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 June 2019

Red Dead Redemption 2 has sold about 23 million copies, and should therefore be placed on the list 142.0.55.5 (talk) 00:47, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

 Already done It's long been on the list, at 24 million copies. -- ferret (talk) 00:52, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 June 2019

i would like you to add The Witcher 3 to the table. It was confirmed today that the game has sold over 20 million units. 2601:2C6:4580:2946:38FA:9EE2:A9C5:1EB3 (talk) 03:53, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

• The press release technically does not give exact numbers, it says "The release of the game on Nintendo Switch is also bound to further cement Wild Hunt’s status as the best-selling title of the franchise, which currently makes for more than half of the series’ 40 million copies sold." Do we just accept this as 20 million even when it's not directly stated? ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 04:24, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

The article, however, does state: "(...) putting the 2015 release at a pretty staggering 20 million copies sold", giving an exact number of 20 million. I also think that "more than half" and then taking half of the total 40 million sales would be considered basic arithmetic, as per WP:CALC and not violate WP:NOR, so I'm for adding this game to the list. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stefvanschie (talk • contribs) 10:46, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

Yes, but they are technically assuming that from the same claim that I pointed out. But if WP:CALC allows for it, then it should be fine. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 16:42, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 July 2019

Mario Kart 8 Deluxe entry can be updated. Nintendo announced it has sold 17.89 million copies as of end of June. 167.179.138.164 (talk) 14:07, 30 July 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Melmann 17:25, 31 July 2019 (UTC)

 Done. Prefall 17:44, 31 July 2019 (UTC)

Tetris has sold 425 paid mobile downloads alone!

Please ignore the Microsoft PR spin. Tetris has sold 425 million paid mobile downloads alone. The total is probably well over 500 million copies: https://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2014-04-08-tetris-now-at-425-million-paid-mobile-downloads — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.16.147.48 (talk) 07:18, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

This has been brought up before, reason for it not being listed as 425 million is because the claim is dubious and there were no other sources other than an interview with Henk Rogers, which the source you listed is also based upon. See also: http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Talk:List_of_best-selling_video_games/Archive_7#Tetris_2. Stefvanschie (talk) 17:49, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

How is this not sufficient? Henk Rogers owns TTC, i.e. The Tetris Company. Therefore, those are official figures. If you doubt those, you should also doubt the official number on Minecraft provided by Microsoft and, consequently, all sales figures that were supplied by companies. That would strike me as rather unreasonable, however. Here's an official press release from Tetris.com, putting the total of mobile downloads at >500 million: https://tetris.com/article/212/happy-anniversary-tetrisreg-ndash-iconic-video-game-brand-celebrates-35-years — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.16.147.48 (talk) 14:50, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

• Downloads, not pure sales. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 16:53, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

Why is Rainbow: Six Siege Not Included?

Rainbow Six: Siege; a popular FPS has a total of 45 million sales, yet it is no where to be seen on this list. Official source in this source Ubisoft (The developers of Rainbow: Six Siege) announce they've hit 45 million players! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nerph-Plz (talk • contribs) 00:26, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

The problem is that Ubisoft doesn't announce sales, it announces registered players. So Rainbow Six cannot go on this list. It is however listed at List of most-played video games by player count. -- ferret (talk) 00:28, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

Why is this an issue? You have to purchase the game to register to play it. Lustyn (talk) 16:35, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

Because accounts created for free-to-play weekends count toward the total. Unless they specifically say "sales" or "shipments", then it doesn't belong here. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 17:18, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

Clarifying bundle edits

As I've just made a few edits to a few games to say that they were indeed also bundled with consoles, and the article has nowhere to really cite these, I thought I'd include links to backup these edits. All of the bundles listed are officially released and not just promotional packages by retailers.

Call of Duty: Black Ops Bundled with a 160GB Playstation 3

Call of Duty: Black Ops II, included with Call of Duty: Ghosts as an Xbox 360 console bundle as well as exclusively by itself in a bundle

Terraria Bundled with one of the Japanese PS Vita 'welcome boxes'

Borderlands 2 Bundled with a PS4 alongside Beat Saber and PSVR (This is the VR port of Borderlands 2, which is counted as the same game for this page

Call of Duty: Ghosts Bundled with Call of Duty: Black Ops II with an Xbox 360 as previously mentioned as well as with an Xbox One

The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt Bundled with an Xbox One in 2015

All of these are officially released, packaged bundles. Not just retailer deals or unofficial bundles.

00aa0 (talk) 22:34, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

If all of this is correct, then it seems only eight games on this list weren't bundled with a console at any point. Due to that, I'm thinking that there should be a better way to note this. Maybe we could just mention than the majority of the games were bundled, and note the games that weren't? ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 13:34, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

I think the current usage of the column misses its intent. Temporary limited console editions bundling a big game clearly has a very different impact on sales numbers than Nintendo bundling most (all?) NES systems with Super Mario Bros. Luthair (talk) 16:10, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

I agree, but I can't think on how to improve it. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 19:14, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

Perhaps just use it for its originally intended purpose, to show which games were bundled first party with standard editions of the console. Special editions of a console are different than including a copy with every console, so a Minecraft themed Xbox should not fall into the same category as Nintendo including their various games with every console to inflate sales numbers. Lustyn (talk) 16:38, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

If it was bundled with a console, then how would you enforce this? Bundled for longer than six months? ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 17:20, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

Tetris has been sold 500 million!

Tetris has been sold 500 million times. if you had just google you would have known.

https://www.google.com/search?q=world+most+sold+games&oq=world+most+seld+&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j0l5.15728j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 https://www.ign.com/articles/2019/04/19/top-10-best-selling-video-games-of-all-time Martijn1130 (talk) 18:07, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

 Not done. It's not clear what changes you want to make. Please make a precise request and provide reliable sources if appropriate. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 18:32, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

The Last of Us has sold 20 million

The Last of Us has now sold 20 million can someone update this ? Source https://gamingbolt.com/the-last-of-us-has-sold-over-20-million-copies-on-ps4-and-ps3-analyst. 185.203.122.23 (talk) 20:15, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Gamingbolt.com does not appear to be a reliable source. NiciVampireHeart 10:48, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

The original source should be in question too. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 22:58, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

Definitely. I don't doubt that he is who he claims to be (he is listed on Niko's website like he says), but whether Niko is a reliable source definitely needs to be discussed. Stefvanschie (talk) 08:51, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 October 2019

Would like to add Uncharted 4 into the list, seeing as how it reached the same sales as the current lowest entry. 2607:F470:6:3001:6867:ED88:8F3:6593 (talk) 16:38, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. -- ferret (talk) 16:42, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 November 2019

i seem to notice that overwatch and other blizzard titles are not displayed on this list with known sales figures over twenty million 167.98.46.99 (talk) 08:36, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: That is because Blizzard does not announce sales, only "registered accounts" -- ferret (talk) 13:03, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

Minecraft's publisher should be Mojang

Considering that only developers and publishers for the original release of each game are listed, Mojang should be cited as the publisher of their own game, especially since Microsoft only bought Mojang in 2014. - Neppale (talk) 11:28, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

Grand Theft Auto San Andreas is sold in 30 milion units

Gta sa is sold in 30 milion units MasterMilan26 (talk) 17:18, 23 December 2019 (UTC)

• Source? ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 20:16, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

There's https://kotaku.com/gta-iv-overtakes-san-andreas-in-lifetime-sales-correct-5840484 and https://web.archive.org/web/20080408234728/http://taketwovalue.com/documents/TTWO_Value.pdf#page=12 already listed on the wikipedia page for san andreas, which give figures of 21 and 17 million respectively. However, this article is from 2011, and the game has since been rereleased on steam, ps4, and xbox 360. 45.72.230.20 (talk) 23:19, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

Pokémon is missing some info

According to this article, Pokémon Black/White/Black 2/ White 2 have total sales (>22m), above that of Frogger (~20m) - the sources in that article are https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/finance/software/ds.html and https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-01-30-nintendo-cuts-wii-u-sales-forecast-by-1-5-million-says-console-having-a-negative-impact-on-profits

Considering that it sold more units than other games on this list, and other pokémon games like gold/silver/crystal and sun/moon/ultra sun/ultra moon are grouped, I feel it's abscence is a little odd

rufioh^talk_sign 16:44, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

Tetris numbers are way off and outdated

The Tetris numbers are referencing sources from 2010.

A newer source (2014, Venture Beat) has the game at 425 million paid downloads and 70 million physical units. Source in the interview is Tetris Company head Henk Rogers. This does not include free-to-play ("That 425 million number doesn’t count free-to-play." - Rogers), and eclipses Minecraft. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fawesum

We've a source conflict here. The source article for Tetris comes from the site "polygon" which article is stating that has more than 170 million sales, however, that same site also has an article showing 425 million in mobile sales only!
Here is the link: https://www.polygon.com/2014/4/8/5594314/tetris-has-passed-425-million-downloads-on-mobile-not-including-free

I don't understand why it wasn't accepted before, is this all a conspiracy so minecraft can stay at the top?

KindoomKindoomKindoom 15:52, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

Polygon is also just quoting Rogers. Your argument loses weight the moment you suggest it's some grand conspiracy for Minecraft's benefit. -- ferret (talk) 16:30, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

@Ferret:That was a joke ferret.

Here are a few things that I found interesting about these articles:

Polygon 2014
"The title has since sold over 170 million copies, both digital and physical."
The Guardian 2009
"In all its forms, Tetris has sold more than 70m copies around the globe; it has spawned architecture, art and music; it has earned multiple Guinness World Records..."

Both articles don't have official confirmation on those numbers, the only site that does have an "official confirmation" is Gamespot from EA:

Gamespot 2010
In its official announcement today, EA clarified the 100 million milestone, saying that it included only paid downloads on mobile phones since 2005.

But then again, what is the proof for all this, right? According to this article https://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2019-05-17-minecraft-has-sold-176-million-copies-worldwide, a representative from the The Tetris Company told them that "as a policy, Tetris does not release sales numbers, and that those reported by other outlets have not been confirmed by the company."

So, I guess there is no official numbers at all, it's all speculations. But WAIT! There's more! According to this article https://venturebeat.com/2014/04/07/mr-tetris-explains-why-the-puzzle-game-is-still-popular-after-three-decades-interview/, the co-founder of the The Tetris Company, Henk Rogers, answered the following in an interview conducted by VentureBeat:

GamesBeat:
True. What have you been up to lately? Do you have any updates on Tetris and the kind of reach it’s found over the years?

Rogers:
We have 425 million total paid mobile downloads. That’s all just on mobile. We had 35 million on the original Game Boy. Boxed products, I think altogether we sold something like 70 million.

The only reliable information here is from the co-founder himself(Henk Rogers) stating there is 425 million total paid mobile downloads because he's closer to the source than any other person out there, not counting the other co-founder Alexey Pajitnov and other employees of his company, of course.

KindoomKindoomKindoom 02:51, 9 January 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, it's kind of ridiculous that the Tetris numbers aren't updated. This Norwegian site has a quote from the Tetris Company saying the 425 million figure is correct, too. And all sales after 2014 should put the number as way high than that, even.

Fawesum (talk) 15:54, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 February 2020

Minecraft has now got over 340million copies sold - from the Minecraft developer JEB please update this Uncreeperble (talk) 06:09, 12 February 2020 (UTC)

​Could you point to a source for that? I'm not seeing an announcement from Jeb. – Thjarkur (talk) 10:02, 12 February 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 February 2020

Tetris is at 495 million sold as of 2014 (425 million paid downloads on mobile (not free-to-play) plus 70 million physical copies). Source is both Venture Beat and Polygon, the latter of is the same source as being used for the current list entry of 170 million, and is therefore as valid a source as the one being used now. Both articles I've linked cite (the then) Tetris Company boss Henk Rogers and is in my opinion more than enough to warrant an edit here. I'm requesting the Tetris entry to be changed from 170 million sold to 495 million sold.

Fawesum (talk) 22:38, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

 Note: Both the sources you provided cite a statement by Henk Rogers from an interview. As Henk Rogers has the rights to distribute the game, a statement by him may not be a reliable source in this case, as he may be biased. However, not closing the request, as it is unclear, where the number in the polygon article currently referenced comes from. AntiCedros (talk) 23:25, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

It is not unclear, I already gave a link to the interview (source in Polygon) with Henk Rogers from Venture Beat where he says it. Rogers is the owner of The Tetris Company and was the CEO there at the time of the article. Would you not use the Mojang CEO as a reliable source for Minecraft news? It's as official as it can be. Then what about this article (Norwegian, Google translate here) with a quote from the Tetris Company themselves (not Rogers) that the Rogers numbers are correct.

Here is yet another source (Vox) with an interview with Rogers again stating 425 million paid downloads, this one two months after the Polygon and VentureBeat articles.

The original 70 million source is also from an interview with Rogers from 2009.

Fawesum (talk) 21:46, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

I do not doubt, Rogers has stated that number in one or more interviews. This is not the problem. The problem is, that he is closely affiliated with the company and thus may be biased (as in "He MIGHT have inflated those numbers to remain #1"). The Norwegian source you provided may be another story though, as they claim to have (at least) received confirmation for the numbers by the Tetris Company. However, since I do not speak Norwegian and am unable to determine, whether pressfire.no is reliable or not, I'm not prepared, to make the update myself (yet).

As for your comment about the current numbers also being from an interview with Rogers: I will look further into this. AntiCedros (talk) 14:56, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

Suggest anyone reviewing this edit request see the first section of the talk page (At least until it archives) and the last archives, which has at least 4 sections about the Tetris numbers. -- ferret (talk) 23:32, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. The claims by Rogers have been heavily disputed and cannot be added through an edit request: Edit requests for articles or templates should meet the same four basic requirements...SUNS—Specific, Uncontroversial, Necessary, Sensible. It is clear that the Uncontroversial and Necessary prongs of that test have not been demonstrated as of yet. Please create a separate discussion of the source before repeating this request. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 15:48, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

Rainbow Six Siege Entry

Hello Editor I noticed you forget some games and that are CounterStrike Global Offensive, Team Fortress 2, Dota 2 and Rainbow Six Siege. Those are some of the biggest current Esport Games and i think they should be included 2A02:8108:1340:5DA4:1587:EDAF:DB74:7A (talk) 09:49, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: There are no reliable sources for the sales figures of these games. Their publishers don't release that information. In some cases we know "registered players", but we do not know "copies sold". This is specifically a list of "copies sold" -- ferret (talk) 11:11, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

Adding for any other future reader that we have a list for these type of figures, list of most-played video games by player count. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 21:47, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

Why is the entire Tetris series counted as one game?

Why is the entire Tetris series counted as one game? Is Tetris for the NES the same as Puyo Puyo Tetris? What about Tetris effect? That has special Mechanics that aren't in the other games. Heck, Tetris is counted as a video game franchise on the best selling list of video game franchises, and the number is the sameas on this list. So why does Tetris, with more than one installment, have the same number for its franchise and one game? Venyanwarrior (talk) 20:55, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Agreed. By the logic we're applying to Tetris on this list, stuff like Minecraft: Story Mode should be included under Minecraft's sales. Story Mode is quite a bit different from standard Minecraft, but the Tetris variants can get quite different from the original as well. To be fair to both games/franchises, either all the variants for both should be included in the numbers, or neither should count variants, only ports. AntiGravityMaster (talk) 05:33, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

Personally I think Tetris should be removed entirely. The sales figures are questionable at best and very clearly refer more to a decades spanning franchise than any individual game. -- ferret (talk) 13:07, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

I agree. Even Tetris' article states that it's a franchise, not a single game: "...the games in the franchise had sold 202 million copies—approximately 70 million physical units and 132 million paid mobile game downloads". Even just a cursory look at the list of Tetris variants shows that they can get pretty wildly different, whereas Minecraft's variant/ports are all very close to the original, with the exception of things like Story Mode or Dungeons, though I doubt those are included in the sales figure cited in this article. AntiGravityMaster (talk) 18:40, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

I'm curious, what exactly would be the procedure for removing Tetris from the list? Should were start some sort of separate discussion page to reach an official consensus, or should someone just straight up remove it? AntiGravityMaster (talk) 18:49, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

We're having one right here, are we not? I'm also in agreement it should be removed, as it's obvious the figures (which are questionable to begin with) are citing the entire franchise as a whole and not a single game. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 19:02, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

It seems like we're all pretty much in agreement. Someone should probably just remove it now. AntiGravityMaster (talk) 16:51, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

I went ahead and did it myself. AntiGravityMaster (talk) 17:00, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

Tetris update

I've recently found a reliable source from December 2011 stating that Tetris has sold 132 million paid mobile downloads. I have thus updated the list accordingly, which would put Tetris back at the top spot. Any comments? Maestro2016 (talk) 02:27, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

I don't doubt the source is correct, but there's some debate on whether Tetris variants should be included in sales numbers. See two sections above. AntiGravityMaster (talk) 05:34, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

I've added the Game Boy version of Tetris, as that's a single game. Maestro2016 (talk) 03:55, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

No evidence that Terraria was bundled with any console.

In the table under the 'List' section, Terraria is listed as having been bundled with a console. I have tried looking up whether this is true, but I have seen no evidence that it was ever bundled with a console. The wikipedia article lists no source for the claim that it was/is bundled with a console. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eliteari (talk • contribs) 15:38, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

• It was bundled with the vita with the welcome package which had it and a bunch of other games to get people to buy the vita — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.182.178.205 (talk) 19:49, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
  • Do you have a source for that? ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 19:13, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

    The trial version was included in the Welcome bundle, but not the full game. I think it's safe to say that the original poster seems to be correct. JOEBRO64 19:25, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

the witcher 3

hey yall i just wannted to bring you an update for teh witcher 3 sales. it has passed 28 million copies sold world wide https://www.gamespot.com/articles/the-witcher-3-sales-by-platform-revealed-heres-whi/1100-6475832/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.182.179.10 (talk) 15:12, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Addendum: the specific source is this document, pages 51-52: https://www.cdprojekt.com/en/wp-content/uploads-en/2020/04/management-board-report-on-activities-of-cd-projekt-group-and-cd-projekt-s-a-in-2019.pdf — Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.121.168.71 (talk) 15:14, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

all we have to do is wait for someone to update the numbers — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.182.179.10 (talk) 16:01, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Problem with wii play.

Wii play is not listed as a pack in title, however, while it is not a pack in title per se, it WAS packed in with a wii remote (here is a link to someone on ebay selling a copy in the box https://www.ebay.com/itm/153719957895. I find it unfair to list wii play as its own thing. A wii play cost fifty dollars, and a wii remote cost forty dollars. in my opinon, some people bought it due to it being a wii remote and for an extra ten bucks they'll thrown in a game, for free. --Mogar101 19:49, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Call of Duty

Maybe it's time to update the sales of the existing games and add some new ones on the list Source: https://www.statista.com/statistics/321374/global-all-time-unit-sales-call-of-duty-games/ Costas theodorou7 (talk) 18:04, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Statistia is unreliable for this as they usually quote VGChartz, which is also unreliable. -- ferret (talk) 18:32, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Just a common reminder for anybody reading this in the future, but we can use Statistia/VGChartz as a foundation for finding the figures on a more reliable source, which then can be used here. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 19:50, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 May 2020

games such as Pokemon Sun/Moon or Wii fit should be separate entries from Ultra Sun/Ultra Moon or Wii fit plus as they are on Nintendo's website https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/finance/software/wii.html or as they are on the Wikipedia page for their respective systems (http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/List_of_best-selling_Nintendo_3DS_video_games). Also, certain Nintendo games haven't been updated since they gave out their fiscal year earnings on May 7 according to https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/finance/software/wii.html 108.29.204.22 (talk) 20:30, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

But wii fit and wii fit plus are basically the same games so that's why they are combined. sun and moon when counting Pokemon games you always count the special version like yellow, emerald, platinum, black 2 white 2 and if there had been Pokemon z it would be with x and y so that's why ultra is counted

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Aasim 05:43, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Tetris

I get why you changed Tetris and I agree to it but I feel it should be changed one more time. This time should be the NES version combined with the Gameboy version. The reason being is the games are one and the same game just one doesn't have color and the other does even the cover art is the same. If you were to do it all you would need to do is add the 8 million NES copies to the 35 million Gameboy copies. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.182.176.115 (talk) 15:40, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

I would personally support this merger, as both the NES and Game Boy versions are from the same developer (Nintendo R&D1) and publisher (Nintendo), so it would be fair to say they're essentially the same game ported to different platforms, but with different music. However, we might need some kind of consensus here. Anyone else want to comment on this? Maestro2016 (talk) 18:22, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

If you want a YouTube video where it talks about it here is scott the woz go to around 12:30 in the video if you just wish to watch that part. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEE5G3O-LyA — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.182.177.145 (talk) 20:34, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 May 2020

Tetris should include both the Gameboy and NES versions as they are the same game. However, Super Mario Bros. should not include Super Mario Bros. Deluxe as they play a bit differently. Also, Pokemon Red/Blue/Green should be a separate entry from Yellow as it is on the Wikipedia page for best selling Gameboy games http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/List_of_best-selling_Game_Boy_video_games 108.29.204.22 (talk) 20:41, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

I agree with the first part as i started a discussion on it earlier. as for the other part it makes sense that deluxe is included because its like Mario kart 8 and Mario kart 8 deluxe they are almost the same game one just has a bit extra. what I have suggested is that the Mario advances be counted and the super Mario all stars be counted as they are just updated ports of the games

 Not done: please format your request as a "change X to Y" matter, and clearly spell out what you would like to have changed with reliable sources. Don Spencer^{talk-to-me⛅} 14:50, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

I've went ahead and made the change. For the reasons I've already mentioned above. Maestro2016 (talk) 06:01, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

Mobile vs. Bundles

I do not see any real difference between these two types of sales. Bundles are essentially just discounts for full-price games. Mobile downloads are essentially super-cheap discount sales (a few bucks each). Almost every top-selling game has been bundled with a console at some point to boost console sales. It seems nonsensical to keep noting that a game was bundled with a console (almost every game on the list) yet refuse to mention the fact that mobile games are super-cheap and not the same thing as full-price console/PC sales. If mobile downloads should not be noted, then we should scrap the pointless mentions of console bundles as well. Or we should note both mobile downloads and console bundles. It's double-standards to treat them differently. Maestro2016 (talk) 14:45, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

Though including paid mobile sales opens the can of worms do you count games like angry birds because with those game you had to pay money to get? Or do you add super Mario run with its 300 million copies since you had to pay moeny to get the game and to get more levels.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.182.177.145 (talk) 14:52, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

In this video scott the woz when talking about cites one of his rules and that is no mobile games https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEE5G3O-LyA. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.182.177.145 (talk) 15:23, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

An issue I have with both Minecraft and Terrarria is that much of their sales come from cheap $5-6 mobile downloads. Yet this article treats these cheap mobile downloads as somehow being equivalent to the full-price $30-60 sales console/PC games like GTAV, PUBG, Nintendo games, etc. It's not a fair comparison at all. Maestro2016 (talk) 16:51, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

Maestro2016, While that's true, we don't need to specifically note this in the list as it reeks of personal bias. Bundles are completely different than games going on sale and/or being cheaper on other platforms. But honestly, I think we should get rid of that column as well seeing as the vast majority of this list were included in a bundles anyway. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 18:43, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

Fair enough. I agree the bundles column is pointless, since nearly all the games in the list have been included in bundles at some point. Maestro2016 (talk) 18:53, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

that only issue is that how do you figure out the numbers of each it isn't like they report what each version sold. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.182.177.145 (talk) 17:07, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

wait scratch that on terrarria they do have the number for mobile its around 8.7 million so you could fix that the sonic mobile sales are also included by for Minecraft i can't find anything — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.182.177.145 (talk) 17:21, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

Minecraft Split?

Recently Tetris was split as it's more a franchise than a single game; I was wondering if Minecraft should receive the same treatment. There's Java Edition, Bedrock Edition, the various Legacy Console Editions, New 3DS Edition, China, etc. Though all similar, they are technically different games, most of which with different dev teams and various differences (referred to as "parity issues" in the community). Not to mention that many have been discontinued. I know I'm just an IP, but I thought it might be worth bringing up. What do you all think? -73.52.182.69 (talk) 21:43, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

The discussion for splitting Tetris (you can find that above) was mainly because of how vastly different and series-like the Tetris games are. The line between spin-off and port gets pretty unclear with Tetris, while for Minecraft it's more clear (various "[x] edition"s are included, and stuff like Story Mode and Dungeons aren't). On top of that, the Tetris sales were found to be a bit dubious and unclear, whereas Minecraft's are more well-defined. Harmonia per misericordia. OmegaFallon (talk) 21:52, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, that's true. I guess they're more like a set of Pokemon games in terms of differences; they're essentially the same experience. -73.52.182.69 (talk) 23:27, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

How do we know Story Mode and Dungeons aren't included in the 180 million figure? The cited source makes no such distinction. Do you have any other sources confirming that the 180 million figure doesn't include Story Mode or Dungeons? Maestro2016 (talk) 05:52, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

Well, Dungeons isn't out yet, so there's that. Pre-orders also weren't availabe when the article was written. Story Mode was also extremely distinctly unique from Minecraft, not to mention it was developed and distributed by an entirely different company. The article also refers to the game as "the paid version" of Minecraft China, a strange way to address story mode. I think it can be reasonably assumed that the article is only talking about the sandbox game. -73.52.182.69 (talk) 09:34, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

Though, reading the article, it's possible they were just rounding up from the 176M figure given on its anniversary. Either way, I very highly doubt it includes Story Mode, and Dungeons isn't really applicable here. -73.52.182.69 (talk) 09:39, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

The article doesn't explicitly say the 180M is only for the base game and excludes spin-offs. Do you have any other sources stating only the base game sold 180M or 176M? Maestro2016 (talk) 14:36, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

This is getting a little silly. Do you have proof Story Mode was included in the figure of "Minecraft"? It's from a different developer. As far as I know, sales figures for Story Mode have never been released, and Mojang announces sells for "Minecraft" specifically. We cannot simply speculate that "They didn't explicitly state Story Mode wasn't included, so maybe it is." -- ferret (talk) 15:21, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

Okay, I wasn't aware that Story Mode is from a different developer/publisher. Maybe it's not included. But we don't have proof either way. Maestro2016 (talk) 16:46, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

Maestro2016, no hard proof yes, but arguing the opposite just from that same lack of evidence should be avoided. For now, we should simply assume the figures include the original game only. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 18:47, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

This article doesn't explicitly say "not Story Mode", but it seems clear to me it's not including that. It's also where the 176M number was revealed, and I can't backtrace the 180M number to anyone who actually works and Mojang/Microsoft.

It's also worth noting that Mojang has been very clear about Dungeons not being the same as Minecraft, so I assume the same would go for Story Mode as well. And yes, as far as I could find, no sales figures were ever released for Story Mode. -73.52.182.69 (talk) 20:05, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

The origin of the 180M number appears to be this tweet from Danial Ahmad (ZhugeEx), which is what the cited source is referencing. So it is not an official sales number. I think it is better to change it back to 176M, while citing the official Microsoft source you posted. Maestro2016 (talk) 20:23, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

Although I'd bet it's hit 180M by now (it's been a year), since we don't have anything official, I'd support that. -73.52.182.69 (talk) 20:36, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

Zhuge's estimates are often fairly accurate and quite close to the mark. But ultimately, they're still estimates, not official numbers. So yeah, best to stick with Microsoft's official number for now. Maestro2016 (talk) 20:39, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

Super Mario games

I had a question that i hope can be answer so with the nes version of super Mario bros you count the 2 in one and 3 in one carts it came in right? If you do why isn't super Mario all-stars counted or that the wii version of the same game? Also what about the super Mario advanced games why are those not counted? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.182.176.152 (talk) 15:56, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

The reason why i asking this is with Mario advance you are basically buying that game again with a little bonus of Mario bros. the super Mario all stars is just a 4/5 in one cart (depending on which one) so why don't those count for the games because counting them gives Mario bro about 13 million more copies and same with 2 and 3 and then with 2 and 3 you have the advanced along with world too and there is the copies of world on all stars though i do not know the numbers for that version. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.182.177.145 (talk) 19:29, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

so do those count? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.182.179.111 (talk) 21:28, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

Honestly, I'm not sure what to think about this. I personally wouldn't mind All-Stars being counted, but there needs to be some kind of consensus on whether a remastered compilation like All-Stars should count towards a game's sales. Maestro2016 (talk) 16:45, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

i could see that on all stars needing a vote but the advance ones were just mario bros packed in with super Mario bros 2,3 world and world 2. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.182.179.111 (talk) 19:09, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

I personally think only direct ports should be combined (i.e. the majority of reliable sources should consider the game a "port"). Ports usually garner a similar reception, while this isn't always the case for remakes, remasters or re-imaginings. I don't consider Super Mario All-Stars or the Super Mario Advance games to be direct ports, since their visual style was overhauled, however if we follow through with this reasoning we should check what sources think of it. Stefvanschie (talk) 09:47, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

i could see that with all stars maybe (because the whole reason it was made was to gets fans of the first one or the 3rd one and later world to buy it with the super Mario bro 2's as an add bonus) but advance was just you buying super Mario bros.2, super Mario world, super Mario world 2, and super Mario bros 3. with the added bonus of a remade version of Mario bros which most people ignored to play one of the four games i mentioned. They were nice ports with updated graphics its not like something say final fantasy 7 where the remake is completely different from the original making them two separate games but here you look at it and say yeah that is super Mario bros 3. because all it was a face lift and the ability to save which at the time was a remake but now the would be a remaster since it just updated the graphics as the main selling point of hey play this game on your new system and it looks better. the last of us you counted both versions and thats how it used to be on this list because of the remaster face lift for the ps4.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.182.179.111 (talk) 14:57, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

By today's standards these games are remasters which you have counted those before since mario kart 8 and 8 deluxe are a very similar case as it is just a graphical and audio update with slight changes which last i checked that's what all stars and advance are even in the description on every wiki about the game say it is a remaster — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.182.179.111 (talk) 03:25, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

Why were the virtual console versions removed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.182.179.111 (talk) 15:10, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 May 2020

Also, I find it unfair to include a free mobile game on here, when there are other mobile games past 1 billion downloads not on here Wii games such as NSMBWii, Mario kart Wii, and Wii sports haven't updated since Nintendo's latest financial report 108.29.204.22 (talk) 17:46, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. JTP ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:06, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

 Done: I understood what you meant, and updated using this source. But as mentioned above, try to provide some numbers and a source next time. Maestro2016 (talk) 11:13, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Monster Hunter World

Seems like this should be on the list ? Monster Hunter World/Iceborne have sold 20,900,000 copies http://www.capcom.co.jp/ir/english/finance/million.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:7271:210:D10:D6BA:8CF0:6FD4 (talk) 08:42, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

Isn't Iceborne an expansion pack? Not sure if that counts. But then again, the list does include expansions for Diablo 3 and Witcher 3. Maestro2016 (talk) 14:53, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

It is an expansion pack but also sold as a Standalone copy with the base game. And like you mentioned the list does include DLC and Re-releases. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:7271:210:ED36:A0B9:4889:4BA1 (talk) 09:12, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Tetris EA

Tetris (Electronic Arts) sold 100 million paid mobile downloads, according to this source. The source appears to be referring to a single game, rather than a franchise. Should this be added as a separate entry? For example, "Tetris (EA)" to distinguish from "Tetris (Nintendo)" already on the list? Maestro2016 (talk) 15:34, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

I've went ahead and added "Tetris (EA Mobile)" to the list. Maestro2016 (talk) 17:40, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

but adding a game like EA mobile version of Tetris brings up the question what about games like mario run which have over 300 million purchases also angry birds so again do you count those? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.182.179.111 (talk) 22:17, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

and to answer the question you would because for most of its run Tetris EA was 99 cents meaning that if you count that you count every paid mobile game. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.182.179.111 (talk) 22:21, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

Some games on the list, like Minecraft and Terraria, include cheap $5-6 mobile downloads. So it's only fair that we include the cheap $1-5 mobile downloads of Tetris EA. I would agree that it's better to not treat $1-6 mobile downloads as if they're the same as full-price $30-60 sales. But it appears the general consensus was to include cheap mobile downloads on the list. However, the criteria needs to be paid downloads, not free downloads. So the 300 million free downloads of Mario Run wouldn't count, but only the paid downloads would count. Maestro2016 (talk) 09:32, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

if only some ratio could be made from it like for mobile sales that are less than dollars ten divide it by half though if you keep going down this path you will have to add angry birds which will be the best selling games every since they were 99 cents. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.182.179.111 (talk) 16:04, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Do you have any numbers, with a source, stating how many paid downloads the original Angry Birds sold? Maestro2016 (talk) 16:42, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

https://www.businessinsider.com/angry-birds-sales-numbers-2011-11 though i also want to pull this video out by scott the woz which in his list he doesn't count mobile only games meaning he did want to count games that made over 50 percent of their sales on a mobile platform

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEE5G3O-LyA here is the video.

now this reminds me of when they changed the definition of a planet to exclude Pluto as this is a similar case are you a hardliner a sale is a sale or should mobile games be counted different like i said if 50 percent of the sales are moblie should they stop counting? i think it should work something like that because moblie games have the unfair advantage to normal games as most are 99 cents so what is more impressive a game that sold 100 million copies at 99 cents or a game at 60 sold 17 million copies? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.182.179.111 (talk) 03:53, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

Those are free-to-play downloads, not paid downloads. The cited Rovio source from November 2011 says nothing about paid downloads. The last reported figure I could find for paid downloads of the original Angry Birds are 10 million from April 2011. Maestro2016 (talk) 15:45, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 May 2020

Witcher 3 - 50 million. Fisheek (talk) 17:46, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. -- ferret (talk) 17:51, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 May 2020

The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt has currently sold 50 million copies across all consoles. This has been stated publicly on CDPROJEKT RED's instagram account 64.178.254.250 (talk) 22:13, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: The announcement of 50 million copies is for all games in the series, not Witcher 3 specifically. They don't even mention "Witcher 3" or "Wild Hunt" in the instagram or twitter post. -- ferret (talk) 22:28, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Uncharted 4

uncharted 4 has reached 17 million sales so i figure and update is needed if you need the reference check the PS4 page — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.182.176.187 (talk) 18:56, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

Also when you check that you will also want to update the last of us since it in the source says it is at 20 million.

Here is the link https://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2019/10/14/the-last-of-us-sales-uncharted-4-sales/amp/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.182.176.187 (talk) 19:26, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

 Done for The Last of Us. However, Uncharted 4 hasn't sold enough to be included. Maestro2016 (talk) 02:59, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

i know i made this before the numbers were updated for last quater  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.182.177.108 (talk) 05:02, 30 May 2020 (UTC) 

Semi-protected edit request on 9 June 2020

grammar mistakes Yesyesbiggyboy1244 (talk) 04:29, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. JTP ^{(talk • contribs)} 05:13, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

Suggestion

List of highest-grossing films (a featured article) has, along with the main list, additional lists for "High-grossing films by year" and "Timeline of highest-grossing films". Maybe we could do something similar for this list of best-selling video games? Maestro2016 (talk) 08:36, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

The problem is that we don't know the gross in most cases with video games, and rarely even the yearly figures. It's hard enough to get reliable and up-to-date "total sales" figures for video games. If there's enough information to partially build this information, I would just make it subsections here. I'm not a fan of having multiple articles that essentially cover the same information in different formats. -- ferret (talk) 12:11, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, unfortunately, the video game industry has never had reliable and public-facing industry tracking in the same way the movie and music industries have done it. Even the private trackers that exist, like NPD, have serious self-acknowledged problems with their data, particularly before the mid 1990s. The best we can do is report what sales figures we can and occasionally provide estimates as to gross or total market worth or whatnot. There is just not enough solid data to do yearly lists. Indrian (talk) 19:24, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

What we could the games that held the title of best selling game of all time and how long they held it for? Also why isn't Pokemon black and white and black 2 and white 2 not combined?

making two list

how about we split the games into 2 list console/PC games and mobile games? It would fix the issue that we are currently facing of should mobile game be counted and i say yes and no yes they should be counted but no not in the same league as console games. what do you think about this idea? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.182.179.111 (talk) 04:05, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

I would personally support the separation of full-price ($30-60) console/PC games from ultra-cheap ($1-6) mobile games. It doesn't make much sense to me that they're lumped together. But I'd like to know what other users think about this idea. Maestro2016 (talk) 15:47, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

also it would come with having to look up all the paid mobile games and how much each sold. i cant speak for most users but i can tell you most people when they do list try and exclude mobile games now some they cant do as easily like Minecraft since the mobile only sales aren't listed but they try their best. example scott the woz said that was one of his rules. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.182.179.111 (talk) 16:39, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

so doing these two list you must on the console discount any mobile copies so someone would have to find out the Minecraft sales on mobile. Then do that top 50 and then ideally do a top 50 mobile games though that's much harder to track down — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.182.178.75 (talk) 18:30, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

though minecraft will give you the most trouble to find the mobile amounts the latest i could find was from minecraft wiki for which at the time pocket edition had sold 40 million copies. after than i cant find anything but i can also account for the known console and PC sales which come from your sites which is 57.36 million the only problem is most other than the 30 million PC copies haven't been updated in many years or in the case of the switch version only japan and Europe numbers and the ps4 vita and wii u numbers i could not find so you have 40 known pocket edition sales which then puts if you make your two or three list (3rd one being the one we have right now) you would take 40 million out of the minecraft total and put the 160 in the pc console area and the 40 in the mobile area. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.182.178.75 (talk) 21:47, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

so what is the verdict?

Pinging Dissident93, ferret and OmegaFallon for their views on this issue. Maestro2016 (talk) 07:42, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

This is the list of best-selling video games. Trying to cull out games based on their price seems WP:OR-y to me. PC games for example already have their own best-selling list, separate from this one. If someone also wants to make a best-selling list for mobile games, that's probably fine, but the existence of that list will not preclude them being in this list as well. -- ferret (talk) 12:10, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

I'm against splitting the article. When people come to this article, their question is "what is the highest selling game of all time?", not "what is the highest selling game of all time which costs more than $6 and isn't on mobile?" Harmonia per misericordia. OmegaFallon (talk) 16:55, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

I am also against the idea of a split. The proposal doesn't even make any sense, it feels like WP:OR and doesn't hold itself to logical scrutiny, per other's comments. Namcokid47 ^(Contribs) 17:16, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

I agree with the others. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 20:50, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

But most people don't put mobile games on the same level as a pc or console game as i ask what is more impressive the 17 million copies of super Mario odyssey which is 60 bucks or 100 million copies of tetris EA a 0.99 cent mobile game or how Pac Man is on the list because of the mobile sales same with sonic and if anyone could ever figure out the payed numbers for angry birds it would be on this list to. Also when i suggested the idea i was thinking more like the best selling console list where you have combined list then a list of just home console system then one of handhelds and then a dedicated list that what i was thinking of.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:2c4:c900:61c0:81f4:66f4:e536:eea2 (talk) 19:37, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

This is a list of the best-selling video games of all time, for any platform. Proposing that mobile phone sales be removed because they're "not on the same level" as console or PC (which I struggle to make sense of) is both pointless and original research. Namcokid47 ^(Contribs) 20:30, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

but why not do something like with the best selling video game consoles of all time and i not saying removed we would keep this list but have two extra list to go along with it one would be pc and console game and the other should be mobile and while they are video games they aren't at the same level as a mobile game on a console you don't buy as most successful mobile game are that way as they are quick easy and you get a little fun out of it to pass the time yeah they could put temple run on the xbox one but no one would get it so why waste money on that. PC and console games that do well are because they are good games that you can sink a lot of hours into like while it can be said that some mobile games are that way and vise versa. mobile games on this list are also leagues cheaper you sell 100 million copies of tetris EA yet dollar wise that came out to be about a million while games like GTA V which for most of its time be around 50 to 60 bucks has made quite a bit from it so while yes the numbers are impressive for tetris and should be recognized it is very over bloated compared to most games it is like wii sports while there is many copies out there more than half of those sales were pack ins so they are kind in the same boat big numbers but comparatively less significant than super mario bros which if you are to take all the copies of it out there like super Mario all stars would be around 61 million copies existing of super mario bros. I just wanted to give my point and leave my suggestion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:2C4:C900:61C0:E8D0:3C61:3119:7984 (talk) 04:45, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Please stop proposing this idea. Not only does the consensus above vote against this, but it doesn't make any sense - the entire point of this list is to document the best-selling video games of all time. It would confuse readers to ommit stuff like EA Tetris simply because it's a mobile game. Phone games are still video games, and whether the fact they "aren't at the same level as a mobile game on a console" (or whatever this is supposed to mean, I had a difficult time reading this) is pointless. Your argument is based on original research, which you've been told isn't acceptable by three different editors now. Namcokid47 ^(Contribs) 05:12, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 July 2020

It would be nice to have a rank column on the lefthand side. It would be useful to be able to eyeball "Duck Hunt" and figure out that it is the 21st most sold game. Zcanann (talk) 07:45, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

I don't see how that's necessary. Namcokid47 ^(Contribs) 15:02, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

Not done for now. Unfortunately, ranks are difficult to implement with the MediaWiki software that Wikipedia runs on, especially in a way that's maintainable for adding/removing/moving entries around. It can be done, but it's a pain, especially if you ever need to change something. The maintenance cost for this probably isn't worth the mild benefit. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 00:57, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

tetris

Shouldnt Tetris be counted as single game, not separatelly ? It was on lot of consoles during decades, so the sales are divided. Totally, on all platforms, it should be +-480 millions. T0biasCZe (talk) 03:52, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

There was a discussion a few months ago that resulted in it being split. Personally, I agree with the split. -73.52.182.69 (talk) 01:34, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

Pokémon Sword and Shield sales

According to nintendo’s official sales data, Pokémon Sword and Shield have sold 18.22 million copies, putting it at the bottom of the list Source: https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/finance/software/index.html

P.S sorry if by the time I’ve posted this the edit has already been made, and sorry for any bad grammar — Preceding unsigned comment added by 147.147.130.249 (talk) 09:40, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Expansion packs

Currently, Diablo 3 and Witcher 3 include expansion pack sales on the list. Should expansion pack sales be included on this list? Maestro2016 (talk) 14:09, 19 August 2020 (UTC) I agree with that if numbers are given out for the expansion packs — Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.135.167.21 (talk) 02:53, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

adding all stars collections to their respective games sales

I was bring this up since the 3D all stars was announced for the switch and lets say it does super well should its sales also factor into the sales of mario 64, sunshine, and galaxy? I dont see why not since it is the same game with some touch ups and minor changes. So lets say the number come out down the line and its like 10 million for this should it be added to 12 million for galaxy and the 11 million for 64 and the numbers for sunshine? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.135.167.21 (talk) 03:40, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

Article Main Table

Please change third column's title from "Sales" to "Unit sales". (Just "Sales" usually means $ sales...). Thanks! 19:26, 18 August 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 181.12.75.183 (talk)

I don't know what difference that would make. The list is called "best-selling video games", implying video games that have sold the most copies. This won't confuse anybody. Namcokid47 ^(Contribs) 19:53, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

He is right, it should be changed to say units sold or something more specific. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.31.222.105 (talk) 06:54, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

World of Warcraft should be added

There is no reason to not add World of Warcraft to this list. As far back as 2014 they had sold 100 million units. Here is the source for that https://www.polygon.com/2014/1/28/5354856/world-of-warcraft-100m-accounts-lifetime I hope you are not confused with units sold and subscribers. The highest number of subscribers in a single month was around 12 million, that means that many people were playing and logging in for that single month. Over years some people leave and new ones show up. So tell me again why World of Warcraft is not on this list? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.31.222.105 (talk) 06:52, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

Did you not even read the source? It clearly says "100m accounts created, including trial accounts". It's not sales. -- ferret (talk) 11:59, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

This page is for volume of units not money earned. If a game was free, on sale, half off, buy one get one, 30 cents, or free, it doesn't matter for this page. Can you explain logically why price would affect you listing a game or not for a volume of units page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.149.115.58 (talk) 18:31, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

This page is explicitly "best-selling", units sold. Free games are not sold, account registrations are not sales. -- ferret (talk) 18:34, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

Overwatch - 50 Million

50 Million at of Feb, 2020 https://www.fool.com/investing/2020/03/06/should-activision-blizzard-worry-about-tencents-ne.aspx https://www.windowscentral.com/overwatch-crosses-50-million-players

40 million as of May 2018 https://www.statista.com/statistics/618035/number-gamers-overwatch-worldwide/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.149.115.58 (talk) 18:38, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

You've already been told that "registered players" and "registered accounts" don't belong on this page. -- ferret (talk) 19:05, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

Counter Strike Global Offensive 25+ Million

As of December 2018 CS:GO was free-to play but prior to that in 2016 they hit 24/25 Million units just on PC. The game was also available on other platforms. Any idea what the total numbers are? I feel like Games should be added in and then marks with an *as of* — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.149.115.58 (talk) 19:02, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

Valve has never once announced sales figures for Steam. All figures are third party estimates based on datamining Steam, and are unreliable sources. -- ferret (talk) 19:06, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

Mario 64/Mario 64 DS

so what is the stance on these games compared to one another? while DS does change some things up to make it interesting and new for people who played and beat the original game but at its core it is still mario 64 with a bit more. Should they be counted together or apart? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.135.171.136 (talk) 16:45, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 October 2020

Changing Super Smash Bros. Ultimate from Rank 47 with 19,990,000 sales to Rank 43 with 20,000,000 sales. Reference: The series game director's own numbers from a recent official Nintendo broadcast [1] Oscar Lilja (talk) 10:00, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Ranking sources should be independent of the media property to be considered. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 04:01, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

Should Tetris (Game Boy) and Tetris (NES) really be considered the same game?

They're pretty different, after all. The music is different, the UI is completely different. Game Boy Tetris also has a link cable multiplayer mode that the NES version doesn't have. They weren't even released at the same time, the NES version released 4 months after the Game Boy version. Anyone else think this way? Aluminite (talk) 04:32, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Call Of Duty Series

Sales figures numbers are outdated.

(August 16, 2020) https://gamerant.com/highest-selling-call-of-duty-games-ranked-by-amount-sold-world-at-war-modern-warfare-black-ops/

(September 1, 2020) https://comicbook.com/gaming/news/call-of-duty-modern-warfare-sells-30-million-copies/

Call Of Duty: Black Ops = 30.99 million

Call Of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 = 30.97 million

Call Of Duty: Modern Warfare (2019) = 30 million

Call Of Duty: Black Ops II = 29.59 million

Call Of Duty: Ghosts = 28.8 million

Call Of Duty: Black Ops 3 = 26.72 million

Call Of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 = 25.02 million

Call Of Duty: Advanced Warfare = 21.78 million

Call Of Duty 4: Modern Warfare = 19.84 million

Call Of Duty: WWII = 19.82 million

Call Of Duty: World At War = 17.66 million

116.39.24.217 (talk) 22:13, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

New red dead 2 numbers

During the Rockstar and 2K financials it was confirmed that red dead 2 has passed 34 million. Now i dont know how to find these but i was putting this in here so someone can edit the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.135.162.22 (talk) 00:33, 6 November 2020 (UTC) https://twitter.com/ZhugeEX/status/1324474556837437440 here is a source — Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.135.162.22 (talk) 00:35, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

Please update Tetris sales

https://www.vg247.com/2014/04/07/tetris-mobile-sales-hit-425-million/

This is from 2014. How was this not updated since 2010? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.182.218.182 (talk) 19:43, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

Hank Roger's figures from 2014 have been repeatedly discussed in multiple venues and talk pages and are not considered to be reliable or necessary specific to a single game. -- ferret (talk) 20:32, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

Witcher 3 sales

are at 50 million source: https://twitter.com/witchergame/status/1266057420557766657 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:810A:82C0:3C0C:94E6:C1A2:BF2:6CB2 (talk) 11:33, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

Not clear enough, as the post doesn't actually explicitly state Witcher 3 anywhere. -- ferret (talk) 13:21, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

spider man sales

https://www.gamesradar.com/uk/marvel-spider-man-ps4-review/ here is the link it is at 20 million — Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.135.162.22 (talk) 03:25, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

I don't see any mention of sales in this review. -- ferret (talk) 03:36, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

it is what they use on the ps4 page for this — Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.135.162.22 (talk) 19:52, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

Which PS4 page? PlayStation 4 makes no mention of Spider Man that I see. -- ferret (talk)

the best selling ps4 games — Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.135.162.22 (talk) 01:53, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

Thank you. That page is using a bad source and I've reverted it back to original official figures. The source, "TheSixthAxis", is considered unreliable on Wikipedia. They quoted a Twitter user, who quoted a LinkedIn profile, which made an unofficial claim of 20 million sales. This is not usable here. -- ferret (talk) 02:15, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

Ok sounds good also check out the talk page for best selling game consoles of all time and see if some edits should be made — Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.135.162.22 (talk) 18:15, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

well here is a new source https://www.altchar.com/game-news/insomniac-games-marvels-spider-man-has-sold-over-20m-units-worldwide-aRcxs3x9Ul4f

No, Altchar is no more reliable than the previous source. They are reporting the same unofficial Twitter user. -- ferret (talk) 13:42, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

Tetris

If you combine Tetris' numbers on the GBA/NES farther down the list with the entry for EA's Tetris higher up, then Tetris would be closer to Grand Theft Auto V than what it currently is. I think this is a needed change, because the varying versions of other games tend to only recieve one entry on this list. However, I'm not going to make that change myself, because I would need to do more research on Tetris' true total numbers. IGN reports that the Tetris Company claims over 500,000,000 total sales (https://www.ign.com/articles/best-selling-video-games-of-all-time-grand-theft-auto-minecraft-tetris). That would place it at number one on this list. However, claims are one thing, and verification of those claims is another. Ultimately, I might have the time to look into this someday in the future. But I probably don't have the time in the next couple of months. So, if somebody else wants to give this a go, then great! Fan Of Lion King 🦁 (talk) 10:52, 7 November 2023 (UTC)