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On 25 July 2022, it was proposed that this article be moved from Drone strike to Drone warfare. The result of the discussion was moved.

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Effects

For the drone campaign in Pakistan the burden of proof got reversed. That is: anyone dead, wounded or economically damaged in a drone strike has to file a lawsuit in order to have a chance for compensation. This is a breakthrough for dealing with civilian targets, as the strike also destroys exculpatory evidence. Also the selection process for strike targets is both secret and automated. These adaptations would not have been possible if the USA had to use older techniques like raids and interrogation. --77.173.226.152 (talk) 14:47, 30 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Change to article

Hi, my name is Summer and I am going to add the following to the article:

Drones or UAVs, are used by about 70 countries. Only a few countries have started to use armed drones, these countries are Israel, the United Kingdom, the United States. http://link.galegroup.com.cod.idm.oclc.org/apps/doc/A372883765/AONE?u=cod_lrc&sid=AONE&xid=f0981d55

In the United States drone strikes are used to lessen the amount of casualties since there isn't a person that has to physically fight in combat. Being able to send drones to fight reduces the amount of American lives lost substantially.

I am also going to delete this section from the page that was previously on there because it is missing a citation: "Drone strikes are commonly used to destroy buildings and vehicles.[citation needed] However, they are also used for targeted killings. This extrajudicial method of killing is considered highly controversial" — Seligmanns (talk) 14:47, 26 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Summer, and thanks for documenting your edits in detail. You don't have to do this every time you edit, though. You can include a brief description in the edit summary when saving.

The Gale Group article seems to be a well chosen source.

I formatted your comment as you see, with a header and a dash in front of the signature. — ℜob C. alias ALAROB 15:59, 4 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Also Israel doesn't have armed drones afaik IdkIdc12345 (talk) 00:47, 9 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Drone types?

In news reports of drone strikes it is usually very unclear what the nature of the "drones" is... (e.g. 2019 Abqaiq–Khurais attack) The term is used very generically. Are they million dollar missiles, retail hobby helicopters, etc? Some info can be found with google searches etc. but I'm not readily seeing a common summary being linked in wikipedia articles, to explain the most likely possibilities in different situations, or why reporting can be so specific as to determine something was a "drone" yet somehow unable to be any more specific than that. It would be good if there was more basic background & context article linked in all articles about drone weapons, to help understand events that happen. E.g. at a high level, what are the types of drones used to kill or destroy property. What are the rough cost ranges and capabilities. What types are currently being used by terrorist orgs (not an inventory, just a general sense of what they are). Where do they generally get them from? Is it usually possible to determine when a strike was truly by a drone, or is it sometimes just lazy/expedient claims being made? Are the type of drones typically seen and identifiable in the strike, or is what happened usually determined forensically? What are the general and specific defenses used (e.g. what will oil refineries probably be needing?) I think a better breakdown of such topics is needed, in separate sections, and not just mashed together in a few rambling header paragraphs. Surely the importance of this topic will only be growing. DKEdwards (talk) 21:33, 15 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Title

"Drone Attack" redirects to here ("Drone Strike"). That doesn't seem quite right. I think "Drone Strike" carries a narrower connotation of a rather professionally planned and executed military operation, whereas news stories refer to drone "attacks" of all types, including rather improvised devices just threatening or damaging whatever they can manage to. (News stories are not using the word "strike" for low-budget sabotage incidents.) I would think the more general title of "drone attack" would cover the entire subject, and the more professional sounding "strike" could either redirect to "attack" or could describe more sophisticated operations. DKEdwards (talk) 04:54, 16 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 25 July 2022

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The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 20:21, 1 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Drone strike → Drone warfare – More general and accurate page name for this subject. IntrepidContributor (talk) 16:07, 25 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support, with some commensurate rewriting of the lead sentence. The actual scope of the article, from its first section, is drone warfare, not "drone strikes" as separate things. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 09:51, 1 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support, better fits scope.PrisonerB (talk) 13:26, 1 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Should this Page be expanded to include Land and Water based drones?

The recent proliferation and proven military value of Ukraine's Unmanned Surface Vehicles indicates that this article may need to be less focused on exclusively aerial drones. Additionally, land based drones also exist. Refer to the articles Military Robot and Lethal autonomous weapon. Most of these are considered drones as well, but receive no mention in this article.

192.77.12.11 (talk) 02:46, 6 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yes go ahead Chidgk1 (talk) 12:19, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

FPV Drones

For the section about the Russian invasion of Ukraine, I think there should be some text about the increasingly heavy usage of FPV drones by the Russians and Ukrainians. The RuAF has posted dozens of videos of FPV drones armed with explosives careening into Ukrainians soldiers and vehicles, and they have been one of the major factors in slowing down the Ukrainian counteroffensive. The UAF has also utilized (they may have been the first to during the war, I forget) FPV drones against Russians, hitting tanks, vehicles, and Russian personnel. This is becoming a major issue and I think this page should reflect that. 2601:85:C100:46C0:9187:8EAA:426E:4D31 (talk) 13:26, 11 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Aerial?

What does the article assume drone warfare is aerial? There are many non aerial drones. Example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2VKPfLcLW0 Daniel.Cardenas (talk) 20:05, 11 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Please go ahead and edit Chidgk1 (talk) 12:19, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

non-aerial drone warfare

It's very prominent in the Ukraine-Russia War, that there is non-aerial drone warfare. Ukraine uses in high profile strikes, sea drones to take out the Kerch Bridge, sink ships, and attack Svestapol. So the name seems off. -- 64.229.90.32 (talk) 04:28, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My personal view is that non-aerial drone warfare should be a separate page. The overwhelming public understanding (and focus of this article) refers to aerial and thus conflating the two may prove problematic. I believe it is in encylocpaedic interests to do so. Ndunruh (talk) 08:17, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 29 June 2024

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The result of the move request was: Not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Adumbrativus (talk) 06:12, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Drone warfare → Aerial drone warfare – This article only covers warfare with aerial drones, UAVs and UCAVs. It does not cover that such as robot dogs with machine guns, robot UXOD catepillar crawlers with shotguns, suicide sub torpedo drones, robot boat minelayers, or attack sea drones (such as those sinking the Russian Black Sea Fleet). So the title of the article should match its scope of aerial drones, and not all drone warfare -- 64.229.90.32 (talk) 04:32, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. The article begins "Drone warfare is a form of aerial warfare or marine warfare..." and there is a full paragraph about naval drones used by Ukraine. The current title allows for expansion. Station1 (talk) 20:30, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Station1. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:22, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Grammatical error in “Russian invasion of Ukraine” section

“a Russian Mi-8 helicopter was shot down by over occupied Donetsk, by a Ukrainian FPV drones” is incorrect and should be changed to either “a Russian Mi-8 helicopter was shot down by over occupied Donetsk, by a Ukrainian FPV drone” or “a Russian Mi-8 helicopter was shot down by over occupied Donetsk, by Ukrainian FPV drones” 2600:6C50:6000:4ED:550C:1500:6379:69C6 (talk) 05:48, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This article seems to be a duplicate of Lethal autonomous weapon

http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Lethal_autonomous_weapon . What do you think? Daniel.Cardenas (talk) 16:32, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think this page need to be re-categorised as 'aerial drone warfare', this would enable the page you refer to to cover non-aerial drones in more detail. Ndunruh (talk) 08:18, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It is clear to this is about activities and the other article is more general in scope about what is autonomous, types and views. 109.93.38.72 (talk) 18:31, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]