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Only

Okay - i dont know if its just me, but does anyone else realize how damn similar this sounds to "Only"? Its got the whole little drum beat in there and everything. I think its noteworthy but i dont know how to incorporate it into the article because its kind of a matter of opinion - but i really do challenge anyone to go listen to both songs (specifically the intros) and tell me they arent similar. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Trynstopme (talk • contribs) 19:40, 23 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This is your personal synthesis and is original research. It really shouldn't be in the article. What is the significance anyway? Trent Reznor has used musical motifs in his works before. AtaruMoroboshi (talk) 19:59, 23 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What would be the best way to note that it's markedly different to Year Zero, and does seem to be closer (no pun intended) to With Teeth in terms of style and instrumentation? I mean, you just have to listen to them to know that the style has reverted back to WT in the instruments used, the lack of electronica and modification and so on, but it could just be argued as OR. Thoughts? Slavedriver (talk) 23:28, 2 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think we should just wait to see what the bigger picture is. Anything else would be OR. Drewcifer (talk) 23:30, 2 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Possible Sources

Running list of new sources and reviews to potentially use to source article AtaruMoroboshi (talk) 14:17, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Reviews:

Cinemablend.com [1]

News:

Heraldnet [2]
Blabbermouth [3]

Beats per minute?

This is just my opinion of course, but I really don't understand the significance of stating that "The song has 122 beats per minute according to the properties pre-embedded with the mp3"... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.9.191.219 (talk) 10:07, 27 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

For people to remix it, and people interested in BPM and tempo in general, I'd say. 71.60.161.100 (talk) 01:01, 15 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Running Time

This article cites the running time as 4:30, which was the case with the single release, but when the album was released, the track ended abruptly at 4:19, actually cutting off 11 seconds. Should this be cited? or just wait until Trent decides that one of the tracks is in error? or what? Haggisfarm (talk) 02:58, 7 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

As of May 15th, 2008, at 11:17 AM pst, trent fixed the file, so everything's peachy Haggisfarm (talk) 21:43, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

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GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

This article is in decent shape, but it needs more work before it becomes a Good Article.

Is it well written?
A. The prose is clear and concise, and the spelling and grammar are correct:
In the Music and lyrics section, you might want to add reviewer Harvey's first name. Then in the second paragraph, you can remove "Eric" and have "Harvey" in order to avoid repetition of his name. Same section, suggestion: "Harvey of Pitchfork Media also compared the song to disco, saying that "Discipline" "eschews a typically monstrous chorus for an airtight industrial disco grind ventilated by an airy piano and falsetto cooing" ---> "Harvey of Pitchfork Media also compared the song to disco, saying that the song "eschews a typically monstrous chorus for an airtight industrial disco grind ventilated by an airy piano and falsetto cooing." Another suggestion, in the Release and reception section, Pitchfork Media's review of The Slip called "Discipline" "another solid pop song about constraint from the guy who, following Prince, brought kinky sex odes to strip-mall bars." Spin magazine's review of the album called "Discipline" "the most conventional tune" from The Slip" ---> "Pitchfork Media's review of The Slip called the single "another solid pop song about constraint from the guy who, following Prince, brought kinky sex odes to strip-mall bars." Spin magazine's review of the album called the track "the most conventional tune" from The Slip."
Check.

B. It complies with the manual of style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation:
In the lead, it would be best if "Nine Inch Nails" was followed by ---> (NIN), I mean, I know what it means, but how 'bout your reader, and per here. Same section, you might want to add the year the song was released. In the Release and reception section, "reached number 6" and "charted at number 9" ---> "reached number six" and "charted at number nine", per here.
Check.
Is it verifiable with no original research, as shown by a source spot-check?
A. It contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline:

B. Reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose):

C. It contains no original research:

D. It contains no copyright violations nor plagiarism:
Is it broad in its coverage?
A. It addresses the main aspects of the topic:

B. It stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style):
Is it neutral?
It represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each:
Is it stable?
It does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute:
Is it illustrated, if possible, by images?
A. Images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content:

B. Images are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions:
Overall:
Pass or Fail:
If the statements above can be answered, I will pass the article. Good luck with improving this article!

-- ThinkBlue (Hit BLUE) 23:26, 18 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you to Drewcifer for getting the stuff I left at the talk page, because I have gone off and placed the article as GA. Congrats. ;) -- ThinkBlue (Hit BLUE) 15:01, 19 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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